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welcome back my friends

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it's midnight

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welcome to the midnight hour show

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tonight my guest will be

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the always interesting mr jason quit

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now i have to mention

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that tonight i have decided to do

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something

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a little differently and that is to put

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away my usual skepticism towards people

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that have amazing stories without a lot

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of evidentiary support

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and the reason for that is simple

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i read jason quit's book

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and i found it to be

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a great deal more compelling

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and thought-provoking and even a little

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scary

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it just wasn't what i expected when i

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read this book

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so i decided

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i would like to talk to this guy to hear

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more about his story but in order to do

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this right and respectfully i have to

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put away my usual

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some would say pushy nature

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my usual skepticism i have to put a lot

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of that aside and just try to explore

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his story for my listeners to find out

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more about his amazing

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some would even say scary experiences

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that he has been having

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for a long time now

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his story

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is compelling it is thought provoking

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and it is

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it's an amazing story of amazing

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several people including grant cameron

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who i interviewed recently have

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encouraged me

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to put away my usual skepticism and look

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more into the consciousness

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component

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of these strange phenomenon

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considering his unique

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incredible

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honestly experiences i thought

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that jason quit would be one of the

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perfect people for me to explore those

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avenues with

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so tonight i'm going to invite you

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to like me

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put aside your usual

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skepticism

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and let's go on a journey here let's

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listen

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to this man's experiences let's

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explore them

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and see where it goes

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standing by my friends on the mystery

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phone is jason quit i want to save as

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much time as possible for the actual

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interview

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let's get into it

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yeah i don't know quite where to begin

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so neither do i i never prepare for any

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of these i thought of an interesting

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thought experiment and i thought you

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would be the guy to do it with me

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okay

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and here's the deal

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and i want to get something off my off

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my chest first so like all cards on the

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table i had a friend uh who read your

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book come to me and say

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what do you think of this guy

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you think he's on the level he's telling

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the truth

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and i said

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honestly if i had to guess

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do i believe

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that he believes everything he is saying

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and firmly believes it is truth

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absolutely

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beyond that it's a mystery it's a total

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mystery to me and usually when i have

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encountered people

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there's all these telltale signs that

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sort of pick their story and go

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this here's why they're lying or you

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know yeah and honestly in your case i

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can't find

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a great deal supportive evidence

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of your story

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there's but i don't find you to be like

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one of those guys that is just out there

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spinning yarns

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for the thought experiment i thought

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from a skeptical viewpoint

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i want to go

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and ask you questions as if i believe

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that you're telling the truth about

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everything in your book everything that

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and see where that goes because

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sometimes i'm not very open-minded to

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some of these things

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it's like

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in this community

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when i hear stories of people trying to

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get into this community i know a lot of

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liars in this community

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it boggles my mind because coming out

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with this [\h__\h]

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ruined my life

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my family

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makes your life a little difficult when

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you start talking about being a

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multi-dimensional time traveler

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yeah and i never actually

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said it like that it was bob mitchell

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who said you're a multi-dimensional time

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traveler

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okay that's cool i was gonna ask you

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just to tell us about bob mitchell

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because if a lot of people don't know

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about bob mitchell he's written

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a whole bunch of books and people really

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like his work but he did it in a strange

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sort of way which was to go

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i don't know if i believe any of this

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from any of these people but i'm gonna

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write i'm gonna i'm gonna make sure that

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i record these these these people's

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testimony and put it out there and let

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people glean from it what they will

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enjoy it if they enjoy it

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you know

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but this is exactly what we talked about

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me and bob because

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he really didn't believe a lot of these

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stories

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but the people were sincere why would

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they be lying

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there's a definite phenomenon going on

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that we can't understand

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it's like there's some type of beings or

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channeling or some type of influence on

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people that are literally lying to

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this is what we were trying to figure

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out from the beginning is like why

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um are people getting visions prophetic

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uh channelings like all this stuff

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but it's not true it's like what's the

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of this type i come from a religious

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background in fact a lot of people don't

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know but i almost became a priest i was

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in a seminary and everything so for for

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my family and our religion and our

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tradition we would say demonic forces

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are trying to deceive people and that's

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what a lot of people even in new age

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community believe that some of the

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phenomenon is some sort of demonic or

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and i completely agree too i completely

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agree i've had beings come to talk to me

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and it just doesn't feel right

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and you know i was having a conversation

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with someone today and

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we were saying that like these beings

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whatever they are they're trying to

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convince us that the end of the world is

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coming for some reason

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maybe it's because they just want us to

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kill kill each other

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and get off get us off this planet

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but all that stuff is [\h__\h]

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is what i believe

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so it's very strange

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uh coming into this community because

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i know it doesn't sound like it but i am

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a real skeptic

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and i told you i'm like a satirist now

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like i just go online and i just write

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dumb stuff to people

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because like i don't buy a lot of these

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things coming out

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there you go

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yeah and i i don't know so i guess you

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know continuing with with what i was

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talking about

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assuming that what

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what you have been talking about and

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what this book is about yeah is true

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that you uh

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you know

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are in contact with multi-dimensional

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beings and i would ask what what are

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they what do they want why are they

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contacting you specifically

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yeah

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that's fine uh when do you want to start

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what are they let's start oh

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what are they i have no idea

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i literally have no idea what they are

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all i know is

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i don't get messages like i'm not a

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channeler

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so i don't get messages like someone

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could just sit down and open their mind

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a message like that just does not happen

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something that i can't control

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which is an out of body experience

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and i started to do this and when i

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would leave my body

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these beings would then become visible

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to me so for me they're not physical for

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me they're dimensional or spiritual in

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nature

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and they never

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almost never tell me their name

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they usually just come and

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let's say take me on a journey they

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usually don't speak

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it's usually more experienced in showing

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when they do speak it's extremely short

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it's like a very fast

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message

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or a warning or you need to do this

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and that's it or

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like um i would say a past life memory

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those are the ways that these beings

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will communicate to with me

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um

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and what brought me into the ufo

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community in the first place because

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first i i was in the consciousness

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community i was doing work with

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different shamans and different healers

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and what brought me into the ufo

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community and

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got me writing this book with bob

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is that i would have experiences where

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in these out of body altered states of

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awareness

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i would come in contact with beings that

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people would describe

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in alien abductions

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and this blew my mind because i knew it

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wasn't physical

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and me and bob mitchell used to talk

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about this all the time

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that an abduction scenario

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is not a physical thing

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you know your physical body is laying in

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sleeping and what happens is that when

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you go to sleep your brain waves change

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and you enter into this altered state of

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awareness where your consciousness could

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actually be taken

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out of your body

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and taking on this experience like an

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out-of-body experience or a near-death

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experience

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and when this occurs if someone's never

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being out of body

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you can't tell the difference

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it's like when you leave your body

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everything is the same it's like you're

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in your bedroom

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um your body is frozen you feel like

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there's a vibration you feel like

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there's noises going on in the room

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you rise up from the bed

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and then you can pass through the window

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you could pass through the wall and pass

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through the ceiling

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and

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after

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um going over a lot of abduction

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experiences that it was exactly the same

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phenomenon as near-death experience

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and out-of-body experience

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so these people that were reporting

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being taken by aliens

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now has this whole other meaning it's

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more of a spiritual thing it's not a

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physical thing at all and

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this is what me and bob

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were working on was trying to figure

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this out

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yeah well i you know i'll talk a little

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bit about

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bob mitchell

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um a very well-known

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crime writer for the toronto star

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he worked for

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40 years he did a lot of stuff with the

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mafia he's a wrestler he's a really

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that's why i asked you to talk about him

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because i would have liked to meet him

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he was a really interesting character

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yeah so he spent his whole career

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literally in courtrooms

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seeing who's you know all the bad guys

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writing about these things he even

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helped the police like he would go to

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all the courts listen and he would even

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figure stuff out by being present in the

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courtroom and he would work with the

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police

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so he was a real investigator

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and

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when he retired from the toronto star

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um he was very interested in uh mufon

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because he had an experience

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and he tells this experience a lot where

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it's like one night

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him and his wife were at home

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and there was like a crazy storm outside

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and when he looked outside he saw like

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everything was blowing around his

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backyard

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and he went outside to kind of like grab

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stuff to make sure they wouldn't fly

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around the backyard

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and he said he went outside

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and when he looked up in the sky it was

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very strange it was like the whole

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backyard was lit by this blue light

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well that's creepy

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and um

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his wife was there

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his neighbors were out too

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and his wife was i think yelling at him

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to come back to bed and just leave it

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alone

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anyways he comes back he goes back to

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sleep

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the more next morning he wakes up he has

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no memory of that night

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and something reminded him that oh yeah

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he went outside last night and then he

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asked his wife and it was almost like

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they were recalling these memories that

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they were erased but he never remembers

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going back to bed

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you know yeah that's a little don't get

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me interested in the ufo phenomenon

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something like that happening to you

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right so

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so he had this experience and he started

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to talk to mufon and uh he lives in a

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small or he did live in a small

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community called brantford ontario and

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he put out an advertisement

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this is crazy he put out an

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advertisement

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to people that had experiences

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if they wanted to come forward and talk

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to a journalist about these experiences

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and to meet him at the local tim hortons

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which is like a starbucks

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and he recounted the story that

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he didn't think anybody would show up to

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talk to him and when he pulled up to the

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tim hortons there was a lineup of people

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waiting outside tim hortons to talk to

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him oh my gosh that's crazy yeah

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so that's how he got into you know i can

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tell you the same kind of thing like i

396
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was given given my email address out

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every show like one especially when i

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first started because you don't need

399
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material you don't have any guests

400
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nobody knew who you are so you're not

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getting guests you know so i just put my

402
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email at a few times and my god it was

403
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like a flood of stuff but it was good

404
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because i get to meet some new people

405
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and you know

406
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but yeah

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those kind of things can be uh can be

408
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bigger than you think they're gonna be

409
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you know

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so he was shocked and he thought he was

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going to hear a bunch of crazy stories

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and he really wasn't a believer he

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really wasn't

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and so he sat down and started to talk

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to all these people

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and he was shocked because he's very

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good at reading people

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and he did this for a living in the

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courts

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and he's like

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these people were absolutely sincere

422
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they had tons of emotion when they

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talked they were recalling memories

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and he was blown away so he started to

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document

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all these cases

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of just random people that wanted to

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tell him

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and that's how he started to put

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together his books

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and

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a lot of these stories contradicted each

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other

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yeah

435
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exactly and for him it was just like an

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investigative

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journalist type of thing to do where he

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was just documenting and i think that

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was the beautiful thing about bob

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mitchell he never judged anybody he was

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the sweetest man

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and he just allowed people to tell their

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truth whatever that truth is

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and he didn't edit it he didn't stop

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them he just let them give their

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testimony

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and so then he put out a couple books

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based on that type of style

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and um how i got to meet him that's

450
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definitely that's definitely an

451
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,480
interesting way to do it because

452
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i have a tendency to overthink things to

453
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death and go down every avenue that i

454
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:07,520
can you know and like just prove this

455
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,480
disprove this person and then honestly i

456
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,160
have a problem with this now because the

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show because before for my own personal

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00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:17,679
way of doing it i would

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hear about somebody lecturer author

460
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speaker

461
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,079
whatever witness to you know and then go

462
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down the whole rabbit hole figure it out

463
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,559
is this is this useful information to me

464
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or is this person a con or whatever

465
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i want to know right away and and just

466
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move on you know because the show now

467
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,000
though you're going to keep going back

468
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in this loop and prove it again and

469
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prove it again and prove it some more

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and and

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i do kind of like the idea of just let

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people tell their story and

473
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let let the listeners decide and i know

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a lot of guys do their shows like that

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00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:50,799
like

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just let let the guys

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tell this deal and the audience can

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figure it out

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i don't know which way is the better way

480
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to go maybe the middle ground right i

481
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don't know

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i think the middle ground is very

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important because like bob was very

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forward and he would say

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you know thank you and he'll even go

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public like i remember he did a whole

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talk about this lady who gave a story

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about um the graves

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and she was saying that um she's in

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contact and this was like a police

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officer telling this story

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that makes i love when you hear stuff

493
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like that because it's not just some

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random you know

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yeah

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like you're saying you risk a lot coming

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out with these kind of stories you know

498
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yes and this police officer

499
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has this contact with a group of greys

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and he documented the whole story of

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this person

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but the person was saying that

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she's the only person

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that has contact with the greys oh

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that's

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kind of like billy meyer

507
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exactly

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yeah coming off and talking to michael

509
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horn and i had a big problem

510
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forget the problems that i have with the

511
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rest of the case

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but for the fact that he's going to say

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that billy meyer is the only

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person in contact with extraterrestrials

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and everyone else is a fraud and a fake

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and a liar and a con man

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only billy meyer so this is the same

518
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kind of thing it's exactly the same

519
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,080
thing but it's about the grays and it's

520
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like they're saying that the grays

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only talk to this person and anybody

522
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,559
else that talks about grays is

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completely wrong

524
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or delusional it's exactly the same

525
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,630
so it's strange so bob would come out

526
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and tell that story

527
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like word for word about this person but

528
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at the end of it he says i don't believe

529
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this story because they said this this

530
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this and this

531
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but leave it up to you so he did tell

532
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people he didn't believe of certain

533
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stories

534
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okay

535
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and

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so he he gave his opinion as well

537
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,320
because it just didn't fit with other uh

538
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,760
testimonies

539
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,520
and that's a really funny thing with uh

540
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,200
michael horn as well

541
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and i'm so i'm so happy you did an

542
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,480
interview with him yeah i actually i i

543
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,640
really i really try to be respectful to

544
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,799
him and i and you know what actually

545
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,280
we're at the end of it we

546
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are okay we got common ground it was

547
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,240
pretty heated i mean

548
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,240
yeah there was a lot of fireworks but it

549
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,760
was good because at the end of it we

550
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kind of shook hands and said agree to

551
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disagree

552
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you know and everybody can listen to

553
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that and figure out what they believe

554
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,080
i actually like him as a person

555
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:41,200
he's a very funny guy like he he's very

556
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:44,720
sweet he has he's a great sense of humor

557
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,840
but he is very rigid in his belief

558
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:50,159
systems which is fine you know that's

559
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:52,000
that's up to him

560
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,200
but

561
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:54,960
yeah when you go out and start calling

562
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people delusional or liars

563
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:59,919
or disinformation agents when people are

564
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,159
trying to express something that's

565
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,240
happened to them i think that's that's

566
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not a good way to go about that

567
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,360
yeah

568
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,679
and you know i i kind of think

569
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,480
i'm i i'm very much like that sometimes

570
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:14,880
i'm too harsh i'm too quick to do that

571
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,679
and honestly until uh

572
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,000
i think i i really got influenced to

573
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,400
start talking to more experiencers

574
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,320
because of grant cameron and

575
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,320
all this talking about it's all

576
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,400
consciousness all of this phenomenon

577
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,760
it's all related conscious i never

578
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,840
thought about i was nuts and bolts and

579
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,039
when i heard

580
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,039
an alien abduction story somebody

581
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,360
talking about multi-dimensional travel

582
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,840
time travel any of that stuff i went

583
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:41,200
no

584
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,240
started talking to more and and and

585
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:54,240
the similarities in some of the stories

586
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:55,280
are too

587
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,320
incredible to me so that's now i'm

588
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,440
hooked

589
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,919
so now now i'm gonna go and check the

590
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:04,080
other side of the deal maybe the other

591
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,440
side of the coin it might not be nuts

592
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,200
and bolts it might be something that's

593
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,440
all consciousness-based

594
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:11,919
you've never had a paranormal experience

595
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,200
i saw a ufo when i was a child and uh

596
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,120
that's what got me down the rabbit hole

597
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,440
and i can only describe it as a typical

598
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:20,640
ufo

599
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:21,600
round

600
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,039
shape no sound hovered over the forest i

601
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,960
was in at the time

602
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,280
nice it was incredible and uh to this

603
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:31,840
day i want to know what that was

604
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,960
and so i began looking for what that was

605
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:37,520
when i was a kid even like what you know

606
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,640
they had like 1950s and 60s ufo books in

607
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,280
the school library you know so i hate it

608
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,600
but i was trying to figure it out and i

609
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,159
guess i still am

610
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,840
that's what i love about this community

611
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,679
there's so many experts but yet nobody

612
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,280
knows a thing

613
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,760
yeah about yes

614
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,760
a friend that told me that if if

615
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,600
somebody tells you they know the truth

616
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,080
of this phenomenon they're lying you

617
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,400
know because even all this

618
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,559
all this government i i truly believe

619
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,000
that they don't know anything more than

620
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,320
we do that's what i believe

621
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,720
yeah i've been cover-up there's nobody

622
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,880
hiding the you know the stuff in a

623
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,360
basement somewhere they don't know

624
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,760
and that terrifies them

625
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,559
i think so i i've come to the conclusion

626
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,480
that

627
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,720
whatever the truth is

628
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,080
um we are so invested in our beliefs

629
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,240
of what this phenomenon is that we

630
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,080
actually place our beliefs

631
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,720
on top of this whole community

632
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,280
and it's it ruins everything it distorts

633
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,960
all the truth

634
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,960
well we're told about it what we believe

635
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,400
about it

636
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,600
um i've been fortunate like i live up in

637
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,360
canada here

638
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,600
and you can go out any night and look up

639
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,279
at the stars and you'll see stuff moving

640
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,480
around

641
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,240
it's definitely not satellites because

642
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,679
they don't stop they don't change

643
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,440
direction yeah you know it's funny i

644
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:01,679
have this cabin in upstate pa and i said

645
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,480
this exact same thing on my show that

646
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,880
there's stuff up there and i'm way high

647
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,400
up in the mountains of pennsylvania

648
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:10,720
where the cabin is like the altitude is

649
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,840
ridiculous so you're so much closer to

650
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,880
you know

651
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,200
it's just uh there's so much so much to

652
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,440
see there that you don't see and i and

653
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,440
the conv the other side of the coin was

654
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,520
i was in the city i was in philadelphia

655
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,760
and it's a huge city like you know

656
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,960
if there's so much light police you

657
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,640
don't see anything and you're and you're

658
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,559
lower you know in a valley so yeah

659
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:32,400
there's so much stuff in canada is even

660
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:35,600
more great wide open you know

661
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,559
yeah so we see stuff all the time and

662
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:41,120
there it's too high up like

663
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,480
i don't know what it is it just looks

664
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,559
like a moving star

665
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,559
i've had i was actually fortunate i've

666
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,600
seen

667
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,000
some amazing ships up here and with some

668
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,080
of my best sightings is there's a lake

669
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,240
just down the street from me

670
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,480
and i went to go see a concert by the

671
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,200
park there and over the lake there was

672
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,000
this beautiful ship and it wasn't

673
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,919
metallic it was like what we would call

674
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,679
like a light ship

675
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,320
it looked like a glowing

676
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,880
reddish amber

677
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,919
light

678
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,679
that had form and it was just kind of

679
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,159
hovering over the lake

680
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,320
and there was tons of witnesses because

681
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,840
we were at a concert so we were all

682
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:21,279
looking up at the sky and looking at

683
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,320
this

684
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,440
and it didn't fly away

685
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,440
in fact it did something very very

686
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,960
strange

687
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,400
it looked like you know like a dimmer

688
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:31,760
switch on a light where you can just

689
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:35,919
like lower the dimmer sure yeah it just

690
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,960
it just it just like turned off

691
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,000
like it just turned off into nothing it

692
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,080
was the strangest thing

693
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,039
you know that's an odd thing to see

694
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,480
yeah and uh so and i've seen um like we

695
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,000
were sitting up at the dock with a bunch

696
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,400
of my friends and it's up that you know

697
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,279
we're in high school uh we're obviously

698
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,880
like drinking and you know we're just

699
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,559
having a good time down on the dock by

700
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,760
the lake

701
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:04,159
and there was this really bright star in

702
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,200
the sky

703
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,279
and it was so bright that we're like oh

704
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,880
yeah that's the north star because

705
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,600
there's like this glow this light coming

706
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,159
down on all of us like a spotlight

707
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,039
and that spotlight was there for like

708
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,880
10 15 minutes

709
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,720
and we all were talking about wow that's

710
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:22,400
a beautiful star

711
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,679
and then suddenly it just turned off

712
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:27,440
and we're like

713
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,279
um okay maybe that wasn't a star

714
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,360
yeah do you think though that like a lot

715
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,120
of this stuff

716
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,880
one theory that i have is that a lot of

717
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:38,320
the things that people are seeing are

718
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,279
advanced

719
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,520
military drones and that there's

720
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,520
hundreds of more things up there in the

721
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,440
sky than they want us to know about

722
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:48,240
doing all manner of things

723
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:49,120
i

724
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,600
a hundred

725
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,840
hundred percent in fact that's what i

726
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,840
think the secret spro secret space

727
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,120
program is

728
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:01,760
is just the uh the militarization of

729
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,960
space and spy satellites and different

730
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,320
things that are going to work without

731
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,080
the secret space program even the stuff

732
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,720
we know is scary like they have this

733
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,200
x-37b it was just in space for what like

734
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,279
18 months or something just came back

735
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:18,159
what was it doing we can't tell you

736
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:19,120
right

737
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,640
sorry we can't tell you what it was

738
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,840
doing in space for 18 months there's it

739
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,559
costs money to keep a controlled object

740
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,320
in space for that long like they

741
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,080
wouldn't just be letting it do a

742
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,000
loop-de-loop you know it had to be doing

743
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,039
something for 18 months in space

744
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:37,120
you know what was it doing we can't tell

745
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:38,320
you

746
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,919
if if people do speak about the secret

747
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,679
space program

748
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,360
it's something that's been around for a

749
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,760
very long time so we don't know

750
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,159
how much is up there or how far out it

751
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,600
goes or what type of technology it is

752
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,200
do i think that they're working with

753
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,480
aliens

754
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:00,640
me personally i don't

755
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,159
i don't i think it's purely military

756
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,399
and i think that um

757
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,440
the stuff that comes out into

758
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,360
the community

759
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,389
old channing

760
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,799
old channeling material

761
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,080
like a lot of the stuff that's being

762
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,240
repeated and repeated i've heard for

763
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,080
like 20 plus years

764
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,640
it's just now taken that material and

765
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,279
added this whole spacey uh secret space

766
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,279
pro program two

767
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,159
that old channeled material

768
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,279
so i i don't

769
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,960
yeah and then you kind of

770
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,640
when you construct your con in that

771
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,880
manner you kind of uh you get two

772
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,360
audiences because they're gonna be the

773
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,080
new age people and the ufo people you

774
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,240
know yeah so you're gonna get a bigger

775
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,399
audience

776
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,480
but i you know if you ask me do i

777
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,480
believe in it do i believe in the secret

778
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,840
space program

779
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,600
you don't have to believe it's it's

780
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,240
common knowledge yeah yeah yeah i always

781
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,240
just talk about that it's funny to me

782
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:04,240
when somebody tells me like just like

783
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,360
they'll say like oh there's no such

784
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,880
thing as ufos people say there's no such

785
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,120
thing as a secret space program just ask

786
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,120
them if they know with that x37 that's

787
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,600
public we know they have it you know

788
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,799
we're not allowed to know what they're

789
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,360
doing with it but we know they have it

790
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,799
most people don't even know that that

791
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,520
exists you know

792
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,000
so we live in a scary

793
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,960
futuristic world and

794
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,799
you know i speak a lot with people about

795
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,240
this

796
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:31,679
and

797
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,360
i personally believe that the next

798
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,799
wars is

799
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,279
going to be in space

800
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,679
domination of space

801
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,159
and these satellites whatever they are

802
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,559
they are weaponized the military has

803
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,320
told us that they have

804
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,640
weaponized satellites

805
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,320
and

806
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,240
i'm just wondering if those weapons are

807
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,760
pointed down at earth

808
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,159
and they most likely are

809
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,600
so this is another that's another

810
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:01,440
cheerful thought

811
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,159
well

812
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,559
talking about dirty little secrets we

813
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,520
have these things pointed right at you

814
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,080
and you're gonna do what we say

815
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:11,679
shut up

816
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,760
jobs with the lower and lower pay

817
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,159
with those shrinking benefits with that

818
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,559
disappearing pension

819
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,440
because we got these things you know

820
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,960
it could be

821
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,000
yeah um it's like a james bond movie but

822
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,399
i think it's reality in

823
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,640
in a context

824
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,200
so that's where we're at and

825
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,799
yeah i guess i wanted to get back to the

826
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:40,799
multi-dimensional experiences that you

827
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,520
had

828
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,200
let's do this you talked about what are

829
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:44,640
they and uh

830
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,360
and you you're kind of it's a mystery

831
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,159
why are they communicating to you

832
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,919
because do you know how we talked about

833
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,750
this

834
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,679
thing with billy meyer like aliens are

835
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,120
only talking to him and everybody else

836
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,279
is a fraud and this woman the same thing

837
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,120
with her oh the aliens only talk to me

838
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,440
anybody you know

839
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,080
when when i hear somebody tell

840
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,399
some of the

841
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,640
kind of material that you're

842
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,519
talking about and it's in your book i go

843
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,279
that's pretty bold

844
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,640
and why or why him why not me because

845
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,080
you and i are made of the same kind of

846
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,320
dna we might have had a lot of similar

847
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,679
experiences

848
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,880
similar

849
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,440
ability to comprehend things maybe i

850
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,360
don't know so it always makes me wonder

851
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,799
why them

852
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,399
and not somebody else

853
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,960
or is it many of you

854
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,080
in that way

855
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,799
i think there's millions of us

856
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,240
um and ever since i came out with that

857
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,399
book i get emails all the time about

858
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,240
people saying the same thing happened to

859
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,159
them

860
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,240
and at first i was very alone to talk

861
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,600
about this

862
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:54,480
but you know people ask me why me

863
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,590
not like

864
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,840
reading people but yeah

865
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,399
i would have paranormal experiences

866
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,640
growing up as a child and i'd have past

867
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,559
life memories and out-of-body

868
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,399
experiences as a child

869
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,720
but that went away

870
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,760
um

871
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:16,000
around the age of like 11 that just went

872
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:16,880
away

873
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,230
in my early 20s

874
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,799
i really believed i was dying

875
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:29,679
i was very sick

876
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,960
and i think that when a person is sick

877
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:35,600
and things are not going well

878
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,350
i would say the bond to this world is

879
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,440
weakened

880
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,799
maybe when you're when you're in that

881
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,200
situation the edges of reality fray a

882
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,799
little bit for you

883
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,480
that's right

884
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,880
and uh this is

885
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,799
the biggest message that i talk about in

886
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,360
my book because it wasn't this grand

887
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,840
message for humanity it was the messages

888
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,120
i received were very specific to me

889
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,440
and they were specific on you need to

890
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,919
get better you need to heal yourself

891
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:10,799
because right now you're not good

892
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,480
so whatever these beings were

893
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,360
they were concerned about my overall

894
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,880
health

895
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,200
and that's why

896
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,039
i talk about it because for me it was a

897
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,880
positive experience because what if i

898
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,960
didn't have that type of intervention

899
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,799
would i continue to get sick and then

900
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,120
eventually die

901
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,440
because as i got better

902
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,159
those experiences stopped

903
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,159
you know it's like i had my foot in both

904
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,440
worlds so it was easy for me to kind of

905
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,840
leave my body and navigate those worlds

906
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,360
and have conversations with different

907
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,480
beings

908
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:49,519
but as i got stronger and healthier

909
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,279
i came back and became more grounded

910
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,640
you know so

911
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,279
that kind of makes sense

912
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,200
so you think you think it was because of

913
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,720
that experience that you had that you

914
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,720
could open that door

915
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,600
yeah

916
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,279
and some people don't have that door

917
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,720
open for them or have a similar

918
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,119
experience so maybe yeah that's like the

919
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,399
catalyst

920
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,000
you see a lot of people have these

921
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,320
experiences through trauma

922
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,399
uh like someone who has a near-death

923
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:18,639
experience or a car accident or

924
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,079
something bad happens to them physically

925
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,950
have these type of experiences

926
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,040
and i don't know if you know this about

927
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,879
me but two years ago

928
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:32,960
i nearly died again

929
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,760
and i broke my back in three places

930
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,520
oh that's incredible no i didn't hear

931
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,839
that i didn't hear about this yeah so i

932
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,760
have uh two

933
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,879
titanium rods literally from the base of

934
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:49,760
my rib cage up to my shoulders

935
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,960
um i've done 10 titanium screws doing

936
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:55,119
that going down the vertebrae oh you've

937
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,119
got to have a lot of fun at airports man

938
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,359
yeah and

939
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,760
but that was a an injury

940
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,520
that uh they called it a three-tier

941
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,200
break where

942
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,680
um if i fell again or if i moved the

943
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,760
wrong way i could sever my spinal cord

944
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,520
and just die

945
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,560
so so that's how close i was again

946
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:19,359
to death and i'm telling you when i was

947
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,770
in the hospital

948
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,040
[Music]

949
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,839
i was really going deep into altered

950
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,160
states of awareness like i was like

951
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:30,640
totally out there i could go inside my

952
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,640
body have these mystical experiences

953
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,320
and i knew that i was able to do that

954
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,640
because i was broken literally i was in

955
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:41,200
that really bad place

956
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,560
then as i start to heal those

957
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,960
experiences start to stop again

958
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,599
wow that's kind of that's kind of freaky

959
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,880
but it makes sense like when the body is

960
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,280
is kind of shutting down the mind

961
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,760
expands

962
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:57,760
yeah

963
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,880
um have you ever had sleep paralysis

964
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,119
yes i have and i found it to be a

965
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,200
somewhat disturbing but not

966
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,760
life-altering experience i had like one

967
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,680
time i woke up in my you know i kind of

968
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,480
like went to go out of bed and like fell

969
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,839
on my face

970
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,240
i was totally like my body just was

971
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,720
totally out like pins and needles from

972
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,800
head to toe and i didn't realize it and

973
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,760
i'm like

974
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:23,200
you know

975
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,599
even still for a few maybe 30 seconds i

976
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,680
didn't really routine you know

977
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,160
but that's to me like people talk about

978
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,320
this sleep paralysis like it's some big

979
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,839
i guess because for me it was like a

980
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,200
one-time

981
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,920
yeah one time thing you know like some

982
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:43,760
people it happens to a lot and that

983
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,800
would be terrifying to me especially the

984
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,240
the way some people describe that you're

985
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,440
conscious

986
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,000
you know but you can't move anything you

987
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,240
know that's a scary yeah like loss of

988
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,839
control kind of feeling i don't think i

989
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:56,960
would

990
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,000
like that very much most people know

991
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,800
it's absolutely terrifying and it would

992
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,240
happen it was happening to me in my

993
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,680
early 20s

994
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,640
and what happened to me almost every

995
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,000
single night

996
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,760
so you could understand

997
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,599
how crazy it was

998
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,400
and i would be frozen in the bed

999
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,880
can't move but i would be screaming in

1000
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,200
my mind to wake up

1001
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,800
um it

1002
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,800
it's not a good place to be it's very

1003
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,760
scary and what's worse is

1004
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,079
i started to sense that i wasn't alone

1005
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:31,440
in the room so this is how it all

1006
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,550
so

1007
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,839
room

1008
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,160
like i could feel it

1009
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,200
and

1010
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,760
it bothered me so much but look i don't

1011
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:48,560
have a religious background

1012
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,640
i was a normal person like literally

1013
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:54,400
i didn't know anything about this

1014
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,599
subject

1015
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,720
so

1016
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,320
when this was happening to me where does

1017
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,520
the mind go

1018
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,520
it goes right to what we see in media

1019
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,760
which is alien abduction

1020
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,240
or demonic possession that's exactly

1021
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,760
what i thought when this was happening

1022
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,280
to me

1023
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:11,119
so i was freaking out i didn't know what

1024
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,560
to do

1025
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,320
and

1026
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,320
i started to get into this state where

1027
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,480
the body is frozen

1028
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,599
and it

1029
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,400
felt like there was a body within the

1030
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:25,680
body it's a very strange feeling

1031
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,720
and in fact i could actually move around

1032
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,880
inside my body it's like the body

1033
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,880
becomes your sarcophagus there's

1034
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,240
something else inside that you could

1035
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,160
move yeah i've heard you describe this

1036
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,280
before and it's really uh it's really

1037
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,079
i don't know it makes me have anxiety

1038
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:43,440
just here

1039
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,839
it really does

1040
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:45,839
because it's

1041
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,870
it's terrifying

1042
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,800
but i see i didn't know what i was doing

1043
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,640
that's the thing i had no idea what i

1044
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,880
was doing i could just feel it and

1045
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,400
experience it

1046
00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:00,000
and it's like you're trapped in your

1047
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,880
body

1048
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,560
it's like you're in a coma and screaming

1049
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,040
for help and i was shaking inside my

1050
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,720
body so hard

1051
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,800
that i popped myself out and i would say

1052
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,320
that was my first

1053
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,240
out-of-body experience conscious

1054
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,560
out-of-body experience

1055
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,560
and i rose up above the bed just like

1056
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,960
people described i could literally see

1057
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,520
myself laying in bed

1058
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,599
and it was very freaky because i was

1059
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:25,760
like straight as a board on my back and

1060
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,280
my eyes were opened okay it was scary

1061
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,880
seeing that

1062
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,589
right away i knew this was not a dream

1063
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,160
it was like a slap of reality in my face

1064
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:40,240
that i'm dead like literally that's what

1065
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,680
i thought

1066
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,760
and then i looked at the foot of my bed

1067
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,240
and i could see this giant shadow which

1068
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,520
looked like

1069
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,200
what we people would describe as a grim

1070
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,880
reaper but it was just like a giant

1071
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,880
shadow with form

1072
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,680
and that scared me so much

1073
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,240
that i got sucked back in my body and i

1074
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,079
woke up you know obviously heart is

1075
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,400
pounding out of my chest

1076
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,280
but

1077
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,240
once that happened to me

1078
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,920
it stopped

1079
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:09,920
once i had that out of body experience

1080
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,960
my sleep paralysis ended at that day and

1081
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,240
time

1082
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,319
and ever since then

1083
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,440
it's like

1084
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:18,720
something

1085
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,760
has awoken in me or activated or a door

1086
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,680
has been opened the only way i could

1087
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,040
describe it

1088
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,400
where as i'm going to sleep

1089
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,520
this is like

1090
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,520
altered states of awareness it's like as

1091
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,440
you're going to sleep there's this sweet

1092
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,560
spot between waking and dreaming

1093
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,480
and it's in this sweet spot that the

1094
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,400
body shuts down it goes into sleep

1095
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,319
paralysis mode

1096
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,640
and what science says is absolutely true

1097
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,440
i completely believe what science says

1098
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,680
is that you know the body shuts off so

1099
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,440
that you're not running in your sleep

1100
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,280
basically

1101
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,920
so the body turns off

1102
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,240
but there's this tiny moment

1103
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,599
where

1104
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,760
you can actually push yourself out and

1105
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,400
have this out of body experience again

1106
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,640
and that's what i was doing i was

1107
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,520
recreating that experience because

1108
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,839
you know once you get a taste of it

1109
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,839
it's almost like

1110
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,920
this you have to go back there again

1111
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,160
it's it's too interesting you have to

1112
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,520
feel it and experience it again

1113
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,680
and at first i would just kind of leave

1114
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,079
my body and stay in my bedroom because i

1115
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,920
was too fearful of doing anything else

1116
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,079
and eventually i got up the courage to

1117
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,839
kind of leave

1118
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,119
the bedroom

1119
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,359
like walk around the house which is not

1120
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,880
walking you're basically just floating

1121
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,640
around the house

1122
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,720
and it's very strange because

1123
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,400
you have no mouth

1124
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,160
it's like you can't speak the way you

1125
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,079
normally speak you don't breathe and

1126
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:50,160
your eyes are different you have

1127
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,079
360 view and it's um you can zoom in and

1128
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,440
out of things it's the only way to

1129
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,880
describe it

1130
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,880
it sounds like it sounds like

1131
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,560
i hate to say this but it's a great

1132
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,599
analogy it sounds like god mode on some

1133
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,680
video games

1134
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:07,680
yeah where you can just you can fly up

1135
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,319
and

1136
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,960
into the sky or whatever you want to do

1137
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,119
survey anything

1138
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,960
go over that's basically what it feels

1139
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,880
like

1140
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,560
yeah i can't imagine that that could be

1141
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,880
quite an addicting thing you were saying

1142
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,200
you want to keep going back there

1143
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,760
yeah you it's like it's difficult it's

1144
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,079
actually really difficult and i would

1145
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,839
struggle trying to get back there but i

1146
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,839
knew that i could

1147
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,800
and

1148
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,240
this is when

1149
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:36,000
i would say everything started to happen

1150
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,119
to me

1151
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,750
it's almost like

1152
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:44,160
the beings whoever these beings are that

1153
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:50,710
they see that you're awake

1154
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,079
and traveling in this new space

1155
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,079
and at first

1156
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,599
it's almost like

1157
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,319
they want to scare the crap out of you

1158
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,760
hurt you

1159
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,599
so that you don't go back in that world

1160
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,839
ever again

1161
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,760
so a lot of people that go into that

1162
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,480
well that's not very welcoming so

1163
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,160
that's not lead me to believe that

1164
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,520
they're uh

1165
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,079
i don't know negative entities

1166
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,800
and is that positive entities as well in

1167
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,880
this space

1168
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,640
um there is

1169
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,880
there is but it feels like

1170
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,440
the first thing that you kind of it's a

1171
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,920
mix but when i would do it it would be

1172
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,160
more negative there'd be more negative

1173
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,319
entities

1174
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,680
attracted

1175
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,960
to me

1176
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,640
and

1177
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,480
it was actually terrifying

1178
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,359
and terrible because you know you go to

1179
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,800
sleep at night and it would feel like

1180
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,680
this

1181
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,240
being would walk up on your bed

1182
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,319
and it looks like a shadow with mass and

1183
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:52,160
it would just kind of lay on top of you

1184
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,839
and it feels like it's crushing you and

1185
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,160
suffocating you you can't really do

1186
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,480
anything about it it's really freaky

1187
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,880
like you never get used to that yeah i

1188
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,880
can imagine

1189
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,000
and

1190
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,680
so you're kind of trying to fight this

1191
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,640
thing off you and wake up

1192
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,640
and sometimes these beings will try to

1193
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,480
pull you out of your body

1194
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,560
they'll try to actually push inside your

1195
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,560
body like literally you feel like this

1196
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,160
thing is trying to push inside of you

1197
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,920
and you're fighting back trying to push

1198
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,680
it back out

1199
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:23,359
so i went through that for about five

1200
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,319
years

1201
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:26,800
fighting with these things

1202
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,000
and i could tell you um

1203
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,800
i don't know why i didn't go insane

1204
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,720
but it's almost like i kind of knew what

1205
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,720
was going on yeah you know since you

1206
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,240
opened the door and i don't want you to

1207
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,839
take this the wrong way i really don't

1208
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:42,000
yeah because you know

1209
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,960
but

1210
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,880
the two questions when i hear some

1211
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,200
things like this yes you're absolutely

1212
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,359
positively sure that this is not just

1213
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,280
dreaming or maybe a form of lucid

1214
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,520
dreaming that you're directing

1215
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,560
and number no and number two

1216
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,560
yeah some people

1217
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,800
hearing this would say

1218
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,560
maybe he needs to speak to a

1219
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,599
psychiatrist or a psychologist

1220
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,200
and did you

1221
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,160
i gotta ask did you did you think that

1222
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,920
may be a possibility when some of this

1223
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,680
stuff started happening and did you ever

1224
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:15,920
seek out help or do were you just sure

1225
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,880
that you knew what the deal was

1226
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,359
well it's like

1227
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:26,550
for some reason it's like

1228
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,920
i knew i knew what i was dealing with

1229
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,440
was real

1230
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,599
but i didn't want to go seek

1231
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,599
help in the way of

1232
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,480
normal psychologists or psychiatrists

1233
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:40,800
in fact

1234
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,400
i kept it really bottled up inside of me

1235
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,440
and one night it actually i couldn't

1236
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,599
keep it in anymore and i told my father

1237
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,079
what was happening to me

1238
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,319
and uh

1239
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,560
the next week i went back to see him and

1240
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:58,079
i went on his computer to check some

1241
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,119
email

1242
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,599
my dad my dad would say you need jesus

1243
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,760
son get in the car we're going to see

1244
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,079
the monsignor i'm not kidding you like

1245
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,560
that's how my dad was you know

1246
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,240
well my father um basically bookmarked a

1247
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,599
bunch of pages on schizophrenia

1248
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,480
and

1249
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,480
wanted me to see a psychiatrist right

1250
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,680
away

1251
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,960
and i knew

1252
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,280
i just knew inside of me that

1253
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,079
i kind of had to deal with this myself

1254
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,040
and i was very grounded stable and i i

1255
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,680
knew it was crazy

1256
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:33,839
i absolutely knew what was happening to

1257
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,800
was like bonkers crazy

1258
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,960
but for some reason i i knew that i

1259
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:41,119
could deal with it and handle it myself

1260
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,319
and i think that's just kind of my

1261
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,640
personality

1262
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,760
but

1263
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,319
this is when

1264
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:51,119
communication started with a being or

1265
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,240
beings

1266
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,880
i can they don't look like anything like

1267
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,880
people say they they look like this or

1268
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,839
that

1269
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,000
they literally looked like either

1270
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,200
shadows

1271
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,359
or invisible like the you ever see like

1272
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,560
the predator

1273
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,000
where it's like they have that shimmer

1274
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,839
you can see through them that's what

1275
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,599
they looked like to me

1276
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:11,920
or they were like cloaks

1277
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,359
almost like a monk or like a jedi cloak

1278
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:17,440
you know and you never ever saw their

1279
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,069
those are like the only ones that kind

1280
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,760
of communicated

1281
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,359
with me

1282
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,000
and basically what they said to me

1283
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:32,240
was

1284
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,119
me would definitely continue

1285
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,880
because my energy body

1286
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:43,359
they call it the energy body

1287
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,240
was

1288
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,839
very weak

1289
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,520
and distorted

1290
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:49,599
and they're saying this is what allows

1291
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:52,960
these beings to manipulate influence

1292
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,000
attack whatever you want to call it

1293
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,920
and that i had to kind of strengthen my

1294
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:59,520
energy field

1295
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:00,559
to

1296
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,920
protect myself in this world

1297
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,160
so that's what i did and they basically

1298
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,800
they guided me into uh qigong that's

1299
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,280
what i started i started to do um

1300
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,480
it was a chinese qigong called chilao i

1301
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,800
was going to ask how do you break how do

1302
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,720
you do that

1303
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,640
yeah it was uh it was just a practice

1304
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,079
called qigong

1305
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,480
and um it's basically

1306
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,119
what you're doing with qigong is you're

1307
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,000
trying to move energy through your body

1308
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,680
that's all qigong is

1309
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:34,319
so there's the electromagnetic fields of

1310
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,359
the earth

1311
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,599
you're an electromagnetic being

1312
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,839
you're tapped into the earth's magnetic

1313
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,520
field and all you're doing is trying to

1314
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,640
circulate that energy around your body

1315
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,200
and the more you do that the more you

1316
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,400
start to strengthen your own

1317
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:50,720
electromagnetic fields in the body

1318
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,920
that's the whole concept of qigong

1319
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,599
you know you take out all the belief

1320
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,280
systems that's just what you're doing

1321
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,559
i'm sure i've heard of something like

1322
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,800
this called grounding which is to make

1323
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,720
sure that you you know

1324
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,839
bare feet

1325
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,359
walk on the earth

1326
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:08,079
on the grass yes on the tr you know

1327
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,720
and

1328
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,200
it sort of grounds you or something like

1329
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,240
that right

1330
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,559
yeah well i'll give a better definition

1331
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,480
it's um

1332
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,720
we live in an atmosphere

1333
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,359
and the atmosphere has ions in it and in

1334
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,440
the air you have mostly positive

1335
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,760
ionization of the air it has electricity

1336
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,119
in the air

1337
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,400
the earth they call it ground or neutral

1338
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,440
and it has a negative polarity as well

1339
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,599
so that when you have your feet

1340
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,680
touching the earth

1341
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,960
you have this

1342
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:39,920
pull

1343
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,920
earth and when you have your hands out

1344
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,839
into the air you're touching the

1345
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,920
positive ionization of the air so you're

1346
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,440
creating this kind of

1347
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,280
circuit with the spine

1348
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,559
to allow

1349
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,160
this kind of

1350
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,960
circulation of ions through the body and

1351
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,680
you know what some people

1352
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,359
of different beliefs

1353
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,880
may do that

1354
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:04,480
hands to the sky

1355
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,559
and feet on the earth to pray this is

1356
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,280
in my belief an excellent way to pray if

1357
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,559
you have to pray

1358
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,880
this is a good way to pray

1359
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,920
yes

1360
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,920
yeah if because you're tapping into the

1361
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,079
earth's magnetic field which allows you

1362
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,160
to expand whatever

1363
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:24,240
energy you have and people talk about

1364
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,359
energy

1365
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,000
as this mystical

1366
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960
subject it's not mystical at all

1367
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,880
i mean if your body

1368
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,079
is weak think about like an

1369
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,079
electromagnet all right you have a

1370
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,839
magnet and when you have a current of

1371
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,599
electricity through that magnet it could

1372
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,240
stick on anything right

1373
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,280
the body is just like an electromagnet

1374
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,240
and what it's actually holding is your

1375
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,240
we can call it your consciousness

1376
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,640
all right so when the body has this

1377
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,640
electrical current going through the

1378
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:55,599
body

1379
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,559
it

1380
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,280
holds your consciousness into your body

1381
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,920
when that electrical current stops the

1382
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,520
consciousness is released like an

1383
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:05,119
electromagnetic

1384
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,480
and this is why

1385
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,480
in qigong philosophy

1386
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,359
they say chi or energy

1387
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,599
follows your circulatory system it

1388
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,599
follows your blood

1389
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,800
and there's very so there's something

1390
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:19,599
very very special about blood

1391
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:22,880
is that it's very high in iron

1392
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,240
so as your heart pumps the iron through

1393
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,000
your veins it's creating this

1394
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:30,640
electromagnetic field

1395
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,599
so this is this is not mystical

1396
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,680
this is science this is how the body

1397
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,800
works

1398
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:38,720
and it can be measured

1399
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,920
so if we are weak if we are weak in this

1400
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,760
electromagnetic field

1401
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,000
our soul or spirit or consciousness

1402
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,680
whatever you want to call it

1403
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,599
is more free

1404
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,319
to explore and this is why i say

1405
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,520
when i'm sick or near death it's easy

1406
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,520
for me to go out of my body yeah that

1407
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:59,359
makes a lot of that actually makes a lot

1408
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,400
of sense

1409
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,480
because if like i said if the body is

1410
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:04,960
weak this spirit expands or the soul

1411
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:07,920
expands or maybe the boundaries decrease

1412
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,589
it is and um i know there's a lot of

1413
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:16,559
people

1414
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,710
i've gotten so many emails and ebooks

1415
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,520
and

1416
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,559
all these offers yes

1417
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:32,880
this is my trigger word

1418
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,960
my trigger word is raise your vibration

1419
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,559
because

1420
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,000
you know i've heard a lot of people

1421
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,599
especially healers who are supposed to

1422
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,839
be very compassionate and forgiving and

1423
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,599
and there for a person

1424
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,280
literally tell somebody who's in the

1425
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,680
hospital and sick the reason you're sick

1426
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,960
in here is because you have low

1427
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,720
vibration

1428
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:55,599
you know that is like when i hear that

1429
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,510
okay um spiritual experience this is

1430
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,000
what i want people to understand

1431
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,240
it's actually happens

1432
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,079
when you lower

1433
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,720
your brain wave patterns

1434
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:14,800
okay so you actually need a lower

1435
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,839
brainwave frequency to tap into anything

1436
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,599
good that these people are talking about

1437
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,119
that's that's an interesting thing that

1438
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,559
i've never heard but it makes sense to

1439
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,680
me because

1440
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,599
you know brain states and

1441
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,319
alpha beta

1442
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:30,079
i know a lot about meditation in those

1443
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,440
brain states

1444
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,640
and uh

1445
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,520
yeah that makes more sense to me lower

1446
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,680
lower your operation you have to lower

1447
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,920
the brain waves and quiet the conscious

1448
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:40,960
mind

1449
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,559
yes to low alpha and right when you kind

1450
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,119
of get in those theta waves up

1451
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,520
that's when the spiritual

1452
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,280
experiences start to happen that's when

1453
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,119
out of body travel starts to happen is

1454
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,480
in the theta

1455
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,880
and low alpha which is very low

1456
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,119
frequency it's between

1457
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:01,200
uh it's between four

1458
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,680
and 11 hertz brain wave cycles

1459
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,680
so you have to calm the mind and calm

1460
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,839
the energy of the body to actually

1461
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,559
change the vibration into a lower

1462
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,200
frequency because in that lower

1463
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,440
frequency brain state your brain

1464
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,000
actually produces the chemistry through

1465
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,319
the body that allows your body to shut

1466
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,480
down as in entering into the altered

1467
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,400
states of sleep

1468
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,559
and this is where that area of

1469
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:31,280
consciousness is where people have this

1470
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,720
experience

1471
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,640
well that's pretty funny to me so now

1472
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,640
every time somebody every time i hear

1473
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,160
razor vibration from now on i'm going to

1474
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:39,760
think of your explanation which i think

1475
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,200
is much better one yeah

1476
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,440
and you know if when people say you know

1477
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,839
how do i raise my vibration my only

1478
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,520
answer is

1479
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,920
be a better human being yeah that's a

1480
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,440
pretty simple that's a pretty simple

1481
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,640
answer

1482
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,799
be humble be truthful

1483
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,720
uh you mean i don't i don't need a

1484
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,720
two-week course that cost six hundred

1485
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,680
dollars for that come on no just don't

1486
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,839
be an [\h__\h] yeah that's a pretty good

1487
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,160
way to go about life i think that's good

1488
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,079
advice

1489
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,000
and you know i was going to ask you too

1490
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,599
about

1491
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,520
so the

1492
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:18,160
multi-dimensional travel

1493
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,760
you're talking

1494
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,359
in terms of

1495
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,160
brain states astral travel

1496
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,200
different dimensions what

1497
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,880
i have nowhere i i have no definitions

1498
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,480
of it like it's not like you leave your

1499
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,319
body and they say welcome to the fifth

1500
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,119
dimension yeah i was gonna say yeah yeah

1501
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:39,119
they never talked about it for each one

1502
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,799
no but you feel that there's been

1503
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,799
specific different dimensions that

1504
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,240
you've traveled to

1505
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,440
the only way i could describe it is once

1506
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,599
you leave your body and let's just call

1507
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,839
it the astral world because this is what

1508
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,520
most people call it like once you leave

1509
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,119
your body you enter into the astral

1510
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:56,799
world

1511
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,599
can jump to anywhere

1512
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,599
so for me it's not dimension one two

1513
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:06,000
three four five it's like you enter into

1514
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:06,799
that

1515
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,599
state or dimension outside your body and

1516
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,440
from that space

1517
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,440
it everything opens up

1518
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,200
as one thing

1519
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,760
so it's like i could jump to different

1520
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,040
places

1521
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,599
different time periods

1522
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:26,870
i have a selfish request

1523
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,839
sure a very selfish request actually but

1524
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,000
i i talked about thought experiments

1525
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,960
when we started talking and the second

1526
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,559
thing that i thought of

1527
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,640
with and for you like if i could do

1528
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,559
anything with jason

1529
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,240
what would i do

1530
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:44,799
and i started thinking about it today

1531
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:48,319
and then i i found the perfect thing

1532
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,599
and if i

1533
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,160
offend you by asking you this

1534
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,640
and you want no part of it i understand

1535
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,160
well part is friends but here's what i

1536
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,200
would love to do with you yeah

1537
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,280
i would love to place five boxes

1538
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:03,280
somewhere in the world

1539
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,670
some place on earth

1540
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,799
yeah

1541
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,559
i'll even maybe i'll give you the

1542
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,280
coordinates of each box even

1543
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,920
the gps coordinates of each box as long

1544
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,079
as i'm sure that the physical box will

1545
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,839
not be tampered with and i can take some

1546
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,160
steps to make sure that would happen

1547
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,359
and then we could

1548
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,680
just kind of see what you could do and i

1549
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,520
don't mean this and like let's test

1550
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,480
jason

1551
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,200
i would love to see what you could do i

1552
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:35,119
just would from a personal interest

1553
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,799
perspective to like

1554
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,280
let's see this in action what would

1555
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,559
happen

1556
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,480
well then i've already failed i've

1557
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,000
already failed then

1558
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,079
because

1559
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,799
even though i could leave like i could

1560
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:50,799
will myself out

1561
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,160
once you're out it's almost like you

1562
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,799
lose all control after you start to

1563
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:57,920
leave

1564
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,960
and it's more like you have

1565
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:03,359
sorry i thought i had that turned off

1566
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,710
all right i don't want to turn that off

1567
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,880
but once you leave your body it's like

1568
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,319
you become

1569
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,480
the observer and you're taken for the

1570
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,680
ride

1571
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,400
so it's almost like you are taken i have

1572
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:20,720
coco to any time and place

1573
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,470
say that that's what the exactly what

1574
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,160
they could do you go to any time any

1575
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:30,240
space observe any anything you want to

1576
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,280
observe

1577
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,359
and so i thought that remote viewing

1578
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,559
kind of would be uh

1579
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,720
i guess included in that ability but

1580
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,400
you're saying that you don't you don't

1581
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:42,240
have a choice

1582
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,400
are just getting on the bus

1583
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,319
and being taken somewhere that's a good

1584
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,160
then i'm glad we did this because now at

1585
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,839
least i have more understanding of

1586
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,520
what's going on

1587
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,280
if i could delete if i could just leave

1588
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,920
and go anywhere i want that's the

1589
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,240
craziest superpower anybody could have i

1590
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:01,520
think

1591
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:02,839
it's kind

1592
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,040
huge you could go anywhere do anything

1593
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,589
see anything i guess

1594
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,799
like

1595
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,799
i feel

1596
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,799
and this is just my thinking of this

1597
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,319
because i'm trying to figure out the

1598
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,480
phenomenon as well

1599
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,680
and

1600
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,680
it's almost like there is this

1601
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,119
intelligence

1602
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,799
you know many people could give it a

1603
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,799
word like a guide or an angel or a

1604
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,960
higher self whatever word feels

1605
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,720
comfortable to you

1606
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,960
but for me it just feels like there's

1607
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,559
this intelligence

1608
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,359
that's allowing you it's like literally

1609
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,400
allowing you to stay conscious in these

1610
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,760
journeys

1611
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,200
either to

1612
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:43,040
teach you something or show you

1613
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,839
something or for you to remember

1614
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,480
something

1615
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,520
and

1616
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,920
that's it for me

1617
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,000
like it's really like that and a lot of

1618
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:53,839
people say well like tell me what you

1619
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,789
i would say almost a hundred percent of

1620
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,280
the time it's personal

1621
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,599
it's really personal like uh

1622
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:05,040
a lot of the times when i go on these

1623
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,319
journeys

1624
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,880
it's like i'm going somewhere to be with

1625
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,280
somebody that's dying

1626
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:13,680
like literally it's like i'll go to

1627
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,799
witness somebody's death

1628
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,680
and

1629
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:19,599
it's almost like

1630
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,960
i i don't know who this person is

1631
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,119
but for some reason there's a connection

1632
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,799
there and you're supposed to observe

1633
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,640
this

1634
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,520
not just observe it but i feel like i'm

1635
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,400
part of it like i'm part of the

1636
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,839
assisting

1637
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,280
this person

1638
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,520
to leave

1639
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,640
and

1640
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,280
maybe we can call it like a soul family

1641
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,079
or i could even call it uh that could be

1642
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:48,480
another version of me in some other

1643
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,960
world or timeline or simultaneous

1644
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,319
reality

1645
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:54,160
and i'm dying

1646
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,680
in that body and it's like i go there to

1647
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,799
be there

1648
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:01,040
when that happens

1649
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,119
um another time a lot of times i'll go

1650
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:07,440
it's almost like observing myself and

1651
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,000
past life dying and when i talk about

1652
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,599
people with past lives they're like oh

1653
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,480
yeah i was the king or i was this person

1654
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,319
i was that person like really i always

1655
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,319
say this like you never hear somebody

1656
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:21,200
that says i was the janitor in ancient

1657
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,079
rome that cleaned up after uh a poor

1658
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,040
family or you know a mid middle class

1659
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,880
family or you know it's always i was

1660
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,040
napoleon i was

1661
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,440
king you know

1662
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:35,440
alexander the great it was it's always

1663
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,559
some famous historical figure not it not

1664
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,280
a nobody and if reincarnation was real i

1665
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,920
think that people would remember mundane

1666
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:46,079
boring past lives and you never hear the

1667
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:47,680
story of that

1668
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:50,240
no it's the when you remember a past

1669
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,520
life and i'll just say from my

1670
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,280
experience

1671
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:54,960
it's

1672
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,920
re-experiencing

1673
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,559
the moment of death of that person it's

1674
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,720
not the life

1675
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:05,280
it's like every past life i've ever had

1676
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,720
come back to me

1677
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,680
it's always like the leading up part to

1678
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:11,359
the person dying

1679
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,799
you mean those are the memories that you

1680
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,200
retain yes yes

1681
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,119
so it's like i remember the death yeah i

1682
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,200
don't think if i if i had a choice i

1683
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,880
would those would be the ones i would

1684
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,640
want right you would want to remember

1685
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:24,799
like the first kiss again of that life

1686
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,839
or like no you know

1687
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,160
getting married having children born in

1688
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,000
that life what you accomplished in that

1689
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,119
life the highs you know not the lows the

1690
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,359
death i i don't think that would be what

1691
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,920
i would pick you know to remember

1692
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:42,240
but that's that's the only things i

1693
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,280
would say like 95 of all past lives that

1694
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:46,640
i've remembered

1695
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,680
it's that leading up to them leaving

1696
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:52,240
that world

1697
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,440
you know and i i don't know why

1698
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,119
it's like that

1699
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,799
but that's exactly how it's been

1700
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,119
happening since i was a child

1701
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,680
is just re-experiencing the death and

1702
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:06,000
going through that death

1703
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,440
process again

1704
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:09,920
and when i'm in that person

1705
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,839
or observing that person

1706
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,240
even though i don't remember or even

1707
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,400
know the name of that person or where i

1708
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:17,680
am

1709
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:20,319
i know immediately that this is me i

1710
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:23,760
know immediately that i'm going to die

1711
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:26,559
and i'm like re-experiencing it

1712
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,109
yeah that's not a that's that's not

1713
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,440
i don't know that's very deep and uh and

1714
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:37,119
meaningful i guess right it's kind of

1715
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,119
life-changing i have to go through that

1716
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:41,680
kind of experience and what does it mean

1717
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:43,520
why are you having that experience you

1718
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,640
know like dealing with the

1719
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,799
i don't know just the psychology of that

1720
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,480
alone having that kind of experience i

1721
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:52,000
don't know how you would deal with it

1722
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,839
and and again

1723
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,119
this is another question i would really

1724
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:57,280
like to ask and with great respect

1725
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,480
because of course

1726
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,079
it's another interest of mine when it

1727
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,760
comes to things like consciousness but i

1728
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,280
want to ask you

1729
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:04,960
if any of your experience has been on

1730
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,319
mind-altering substances of any kind and

1731
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,599
what do you think of this whole

1732
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,640
thought of antigens or like purposefully

1733
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,839
trying to

1734
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,200
fray that

1735
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,359
you know get there

1736
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,359
well i am with some help

1737
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,400
well i am an expert on all of that too

1738
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:27,119
and it's really funny because

1739
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,559
i only started to do that stuff after

1740
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:31,440
um

1741
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,240
years after having these experiences

1742
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,319
after years of trying to explain how

1743
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:38,400
this works i got into terence mckenna

1744
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,599
who's a huge hero of mine

1745
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:42,880
and

1746
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:47,200
i started to experiment with mushrooms

1747
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:49,760
and i did have an altered state

1748
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,520
experience multiple times on mushrooms

1749
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,119
and what i found very interesting with

1750
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:57,119
these substances

1751
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,440
is that i was doing these things without

1752
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,520
the use of these

1753
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,559
plants

1754
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,079
like i was actually having the same

1755
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,440
experiences but it was almost like

1756
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:11,440
taking those plants i could actually do

1757
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:12,559
it again

1758
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,359
but

1759
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:16,000
it happened rarely it happened rarely

1760
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,440
like i would let's say i would take

1761
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,119
mushrooms

1762
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,720
it would just kind of put me in a very

1763
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,880
good meditative state you know you would

1764
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,559
have like the visuals where you could

1765
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,119
see like the colors and things

1766
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,960
but i wasn't having like contact

1767
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:30,799
experience i wasn't getting messages of

1768
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:36,789
only one time

1769
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:42,720
i had an out of body experience and went

1770
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,839
to another world which was very strange

1771
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,319
and that was only once

1772
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,760
i even went to peru and um i did

1773
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:53,920
ayahuasca

1774
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,680
and that's a whole show right there

1775
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:59,599
yeah

1776
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,319
well my friends we're just over halfway

1777
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,720
through our journey together

1778
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,200
now would be a good time to take a very

1779
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:09,680
short break for station identification

1780
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,160
and a few words from our sponsors

1781
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:14,960
my name is steven cambion

1782
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:18,400
and you are listening to the fringe fm

1783
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,029
welcome back friends

1784
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:28,880
before the break we were talking with

1785
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:31,280
our guests tonight jason quit about

1786
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:32,480
ayahuasca

1787
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,670
have a friend that had addiction issues

1788
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,640
terribly terribly his entire life and it

1789
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,559
was that friend that you go

1790
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,720
oh here he goes again back to rehab come

1791
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:51,200
on let's go be supportive and you know

1792
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,480
really hope

1793
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,640
it sticks this time and it never did and

1794
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,359
i mean 20 years back and forth just

1795
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:59,680
terrible destroyed his family destroyed

1796
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:02,640
his friendships destroyed his life

1797
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:05,760
and as wit's end it was i'm gonna blow

1798
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:08,559
my brains out because i have destroyed

1799
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,640
my entire life over this addiction or

1800
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:12,559
i'm gonna go to try that

1801
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,240
he tried that never touched drugs again

1802
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,440
realized all of the uh we'll never trump

1803
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,880
opioids

1804
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,359
you know obviously that's a drug but

1805
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,000
he never touched drugs again

1806
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,319
cleaned up his entire life realized the

1807
01:07:33,789 --> 01:07:30,640
hurt that he had caused and went back to

1808
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:33,799
everyone ever i mean it was like a total

1809
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,240
transformation and so it's funny when i

1810
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,480
think about that being illegal in the

1811
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,240
united states

1812
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,640
after he had his family sent him a bunch

1813
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,039
of times to rehab that's 10 grand a shot

1814
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,200
or something you know 30 day program

1815
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,440
whatever you know

1816
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,839
people had spent tons of money you know

1817
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:53,839
helping trying to help him get there he

1818
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:54,640
went

1819
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,880
and he's still good

1820
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,079
well

1821
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:02,000
on ayahuasca

1822
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,880
uh

1823
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:04,319
yeah you have like

1824
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:06,000
colors and visuals it's almost like you

1825
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:07,440
have night vision like it's just

1826
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:08,839
everything is

1827
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,720
light i didn't have any

1828
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:14,640
contact experience or out of body

1829
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,199
experience on ayahuasca for me

1830
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,159
it was extremely physical

1831
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,080
like i felt this thing moving through my

1832
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,440
body and i was just purging so

1833
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,440
you know it's i would say

1834
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,600
it's the most disgusting process you can

1835
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,279
go through thank god there was a

1836
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:33,279
washroom there

1837
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:34,319
but

1838
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,080
like you said when i came back to canada

1839
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:40,239
even if my friend was smoking a joint

1840
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,679
next to me

1841
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:43,600
just the smoke

1842
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:46,400
of that uh joint

1843
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,839
would send me off into ayahuasca land

1844
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:54,000
i would be so sick

1845
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,839
that it's like this

1846
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,839
thing whatever this plant medicine did

1847
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,799
to me

1848
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,120
is it like made me allergic to things

1849
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,600
like if i drank coffee

1850
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,440
this is a great story i came back from

1851
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,400
peru

1852
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,640
and like i'm up in the mountains

1853
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,400
and i'm chewing you know i got the coca

1854
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,080
leaves in my my mouth i'm freaking

1855
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,600
chewing cocoa leaves for like three

1856
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,040
weeks straight

1857
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:17,040
and doing ayahuasca

1858
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,319
and

1859
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,359
when i come back to canada i um i was i

1860
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:22,640
was going to meet somebody and i was

1861
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:25,279
standing outside of the mcdonald's

1862
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,159
all right

1863
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,239
and this is when mcdonald's was offering

1864
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:30,000
their coffee for free it was the new

1865
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:31,279
thing

1866
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,120
um so i said okay i'll just go in and

1867
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,960
i'm waiting i'll get a coffee i drank

1868
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,480
this coffee

1869
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,640
and i swear to you i can feel the coffee

1870
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,279
going through my veins like ants oh

1871
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,679
that's not good wow that's weird

1872
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,159
it was cram like i can't drink this like

1873
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,560
i'm freaking out it's too much i could

1874
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:50,239
feel it going through my body like a

1875
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,279
drug

1876
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,719
i'm like i'm in the mountains chewing

1877
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,239
cocoa leaf

1878
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,320
for three weeks straight

1879
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,320
this coffee is

1880
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,800
more of a drug

1881
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,719
than this stuff in the mountains yeah

1882
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:04,239
it's weird maybe it has some kind of

1883
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,360
effect on other drugs you know yeah

1884
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,239
yeah

1885
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,320
so it stopped it literally stopped me

1886
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,640
dead in my tracks and even if i wanted

1887
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,880
to do mushrooms or wanted to smoke a

1888
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,360
joint or even wanted to drink a beer

1889
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,120
i couldn't

1890
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,960
it made me ill

1891
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,640
if i were to do that

1892
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,880
it's kind of like suboxone or something

1893
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,719
whatever you call that drug that opioid

1894
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,280
users sometimes take drug like that and

1895
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,199
it makes them just sick and they can't

1896
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,520
get high it blocks the opioid receptors

1897
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,360
yeah yeah

1898
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,199
so that's that's what ayahuasca did to

1899
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:38,880
me so yes

1900
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,280
what your question was plant medicines

1901
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:42,960
can assist

1902
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,920
but i think it's not the best way of

1903
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,120
doing it

1904
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,800
it's it's hit and miss

1905
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,679
it really is hit and miss

1906
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,880
so

1907
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,400
we kind of covered

1908
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,320
your

1909
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,520
having these experiences and what

1910
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:01,280
what do you think they mean

1911
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,480
have you come to some conclusions

1912
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:07,360
yeah um i really believe

1913
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,280
that these experiences are very personal

1914
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:13,679
they're different for everybody

1915
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:16,239
and for me it was a way of learning how

1916
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:20,880
to heal myself heal my mind heal my body

1917
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,360
and release fear i think that was the

1918
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:25,440
most important thing

1919
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,800
it's like

1920
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,400
now when

1921
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,239
i'm out of my body and let's say there's

1922
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,480
an entity or a being that's

1923
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,080
not very good

1924
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,000
i have zero fear

1925
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,239
from it

1926
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,880
if i die tomorrow i die tomorrow

1927
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:42,000
you know

1928
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,280
that's

1929
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,800
it doesn't make a difference to me like

1930
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,120
i have no fear going forward in life and

1931
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,159
that's very freeing it's very freeing

1932
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,239
so you're not afraid to die

1933
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:55,120
no i've already died a couple times

1934
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,719
oh that that is

1935
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,880
you are right you did say that

1936
01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:00,640
no fear of death though

1937
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,360
no

1938
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:03,199
does it pop in your mind once in a while

1939
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,640
do you think like gee i'm mortal i

1940
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:06,080
better get this done though do you have

1941
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,350
i i would say that

1942
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,440
it actually

1943
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,679
when it really comes down to it

1944
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,520
it makes you a better person that's

1945
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,440
that's all i can say

1946
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,280
it's like

1947
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:25,360
having these experiences and getting to

1948
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,640
learn about

1949
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,600
other states of consciousness

1950
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:31,679
learning that there is

1951
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:34,719
i would say past lives

1952
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,360
and your consciousness lives after death

1953
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,360
it's not for me it's not a belief system

1954
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,760
anymore before it was a belief system

1955
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,159
for me it wouldn't for me now it's

1956
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:46,239
experience

1957
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,360
so

1958
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,440
it's very freeing and it's made me more

1959
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,360
compassionate to other people it's made

1960
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,600
me a better person and that's

1961
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,679
how i could see it affected me

1962
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,760
well i guess then then

1963
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,760
you've had largely positive experiences

1964
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:00,960
but what do you think of the people that

1965
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,679
have had similar experiences to you but

1966
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:05,920
their their experience

1967
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,239
have been all negative like people alien

1968
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:11,440
abduction victims or

1969
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,239
i i would say that's one stage

1970
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,800
of this game it's one level

1971
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,040
and like i was saying earlier the first

1972
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,920
five plus years of me doing this i was

1973
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,920
basically being attacked

1974
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:26,480
constantly so i had

1975
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,239
years of negative experiences

1976
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,640
but the more i did it it's actually very

1977
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,159
strange

1978
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,000
um

1979
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,960
when you get attacked every single day

1980
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:40,080
all right

1981
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,400
every single day a being messes with you

1982
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:47,360
at first you're so scared of what's

1983
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,560
going on

1984
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,640
and then after a while it becomes

1985
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,159
routine

1986
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:54,640
and you get used to it and instead of

1987
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,679
being fearful you just get annoyed

1988
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,360
so it's like these beings would come and

1989
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:01,120
i'll just be like

1990
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,400
oh you guys are here again all right

1991
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,239
let's get this over with you know you

1992
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,320
become less fearful

1993
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,040
and you start to not care that it's

1994
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,880
happening to you

1995
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,400
and it's like once

1996
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:16,719
i got to that stage

1997
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:19,679
everything started to change where

1998
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,840
i didn't go into fear

1999
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,239
in those worlds and once i stopped going

2000
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:25,840
into fear

2001
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,640
everything changed in my experience in

2002
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,560
those worlds

2003
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,080
so i stopped being attacked that if i

2004
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:34,560
did get attacked i wouldn't go into fear

2005
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,239
either i would kind of stay strong in my

2006
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,880
peaceful energy as all i can say and by

2007
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,480
staying in my peaceful energy these

2008
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,719
things just left

2009
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,239
well this is

2010
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,080
another question i'm kind of hesitant to

2011
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,840
ask you i'm looking at my list of

2012
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:52,400
questions here what do you say

2013
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,800
and i would

2014
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:56,719
be one of those kind of people a lot of

2015
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,480
times when someone asks you that

2016
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,920
all the things you talk about sound

2017
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,960
great

2018
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:05,120
but what about

2019
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:10,950
what do you say when people say they

2020
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,520
want more proof or evidence that that

2021
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,120
your experiences are

2022
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,600
real and not imagined or

2023
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:19,600
drug-induced or

2024
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,480
fantasies or delusions

2025
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,520
i would just say until you experience it

2026
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:26,800
yourself

2027
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,440
i'm going to disappoint you

2028
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,440
and i do have faith

2029
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,640
that people

2030
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:34,960
do have these experiences and do have

2031
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,600
paranormal experiences that mirror what

2032
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:39,679
i've been through

2033
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,159
and this is why

2034
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:45,120
my story has reached such a large mass

2035
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,480
is because

2036
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,440
it's not people that are

2037
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,440
skeptics or curious about this a lot of

2038
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,280
the people that read my book

2039
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,040
or listen to my shows

2040
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,120
are people that have been dealing with

2041
01:16:02,310 --> 01:15:59,679
exactly what i've been dealing with but

2042
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:02,320
they really don't i do i do have to say

2043
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,000
that i was impressed by the reviews of

2044
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,760
this book just

2045
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:10,320
go and and look up this book

2046
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:11,600
because

2047
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,760
if you read the reviews of the book

2048
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,520
that's when it's like

2049
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:17,520
you know uh and of course i'm talking

2050
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,320
about the forbidden knowledge book

2051
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,880
with bob mitchell and jason quit

2052
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,400
and

2053
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,640
go look at the reviews on amazon of this

2054
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,719
book folks because

2055
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,880
i was kind of blown away by the reviews

2056
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:32,960
because

2057
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,480
they're overwhelmingly positive

2058
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:38,960
and then this led me down a terrible

2059
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,440
rabbit hole which is to say

2060
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,000
if if all these people are connecting

2061
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:46,560
with what jason is talking about and

2062
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,440
they're all very supportive of him in

2063
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:51,280
these com all these comments these

2064
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:54,880
reviews don't wait you'll love it

2065
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,280
this is open and awake

2066
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:59,440
knowledge

2067
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,320
yeah

2068
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,280
love this book it just struck me well

2069
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,040
this is what struck me

2070
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,120
so this is the cards on the table again

2071
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:09,199
moment because i

2072
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,560
ordinarily

2073
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,320
a lot of times when i hear some stories

2074
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:14,080
like yours would say

2075
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:15,679
there's no proof there's no evidence

2076
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,800
this isn't

2077
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,640
this this is

2078
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,480
you know

2079
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,640
just not helpful

2080
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,320
but then i look at the reviews of the

2081
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,719
book and i go

2082
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,120
all these people think it's helpful

2083
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,360
who am i to say that you need proof or

2084
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,640
evidence

2085
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,520
to be helpful to people i guess right or

2086
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,880
what i mean is

2087
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:38,880
it's i'm kind of making a

2088
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:41,120
stupid apology to you that's what i'm

2089
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:42,480
making because

2090
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:43,840
quite honestly a lot of the stuff that

2091
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,800
you talked about in this book i went

2092
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:48,960
this sounds great i love it

2093
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,760
but

2094
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:50,880
you know

2095
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,719
i just wanted more meat on the bones

2096
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:56,400
that was my

2097
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,679
kind of interpretation but then i see

2098
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:02,000
how helpful this book has been so many

2099
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,440
people who like you said are

2100
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,360
experiencing maybe similar things or

2101
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:07,920
struggling with similar issues

2102
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:09,920
and that's where i'm at

2103
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,960
yeah

2104
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:12,960
and you also have to remember people

2105
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:14,000
change

2106
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:14,960
i

2107
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,880
not the same person

2108
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:22,400
that wrote that book

2109
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:25,679
that book is over five years old

2110
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,080
i have matured a lot i've changed a lot

2111
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,320
even some of the ideas that me and bob

2112
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,159
talked about in that book

2113
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:35,040
i'm starting to actually change my ideas

2114
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,480
on some of the some of the things we

2115
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:37,920
wrote about

2116
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,800
so it's like my journey is not done

2117
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:42,640
either and this is why i do so many

2118
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:45,600
shows to to talk about it on the radio

2119
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,040
or on on podcasts because

2120
01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:51,440
as i'm learning and as i'm growing i'm

2121
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,840
sharing that

2122
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,280
information and

2123
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,120
obviously the journey is not done i'm

2124
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,679
still here i'm still learning

2125
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:01,040
but

2126
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:02,800
here's the thing and this is what i

2127
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:05,679
would tell you a skeptic

2128
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,800
i would say

2129
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:11,120
if you have a dream

2130
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,560
and that dream was so profound

2131
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,440
that the moment you woke up the next day

2132
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,280
that dream forced you to change your

2133
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:21,040
life

2134
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,880
instantly you were a different person

2135
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:25,040
the moment you woke up that day that's

2136
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,350
isn't that positive

2137
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,600
yeah i would think that it would be

2138
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:35,280
if you changed your life in the positive

2139
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:36,800
if you had a dream that changed you

2140
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,960
profoundly and then you went off on a

2141
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,280
coke and [\h__\h] binge and left your

2142
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:44,480
family and went doing heroin because the

2143
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:46,080
dream was telling you you haven't lived

2144
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,120
enough

2145
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,679
well then it would be negative of course

2146
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,760
yeah i'm going more to the positive

2147
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,000
thing i'm saying that uh

2148
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:55,199
you know if

2149
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,320
uh if if a dream had the power to change

2150
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:00,800
you for the better

2151
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:03,199
what else do you need

2152
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,640
you know

2153
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,800
so i can only tell you what i

2154
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,320
experienced

2155
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,840
and for me

2156
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,080
it was very real it still is real and

2157
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,800
that is the reality that i live in

2158
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,960
and that's how i see and experience the

2159
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,520
world

2160
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,280
there are many others

2161
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:23,280
that see the world and experience the

2162
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,800
world exactly the way i do

2163
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,840
so

2164
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:29,600
there's been a lot of fear of coming

2165
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:32,880
forward being labeled like you're crazy

2166
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:36,480
and i have to say that

2167
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,080
a lot of people that go through these

2168
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,239
experiences

2169
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:42,159
they end up going crazy

2170
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:46,400
this is a real concern this stuff is not

2171
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:47,440
easy

2172
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:52,719
it's really trauma

2173
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,679
and people that don't have a good

2174
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:57,760
sense

2175
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,400
they can lose it going through this i've

2176
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,000
seen it when you talk about this it

2177
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,560
reminds me of a lot of hp lovecraft

2178
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,520
because

2179
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,600
if if you've read any hp lovecraft

2180
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,600
novels it's kind of like the more the

2181
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:10,880
people

2182
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:16,719
into an experience with that mythos they

2183
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,199
just progressively go crazy it drives

2184
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,040
them crazy because

2185
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,120
the frayed reality

2186
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:25,920
and lines crossing and

2187
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,920
maybe things connecting and this is why

2188
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:31,920
a practice like

2189
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,040
chi gong and like you said grounding

2190
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:37,600
you need to be here

2191
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:38,639
all right

2192
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:41,440
people talk about ascension

2193
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,040
you're here to live a physical life

2194
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,280
you're here to be human you're here to

2195
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,600
live in this matrix reality whatever you

2196
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,040
want to call it you've got to pay your

2197
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,320
taxes

2198
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,159
you got to be a good citizen a good

2199
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:56,639
person you have responsibilities

2200
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:59,120
physically in this world

2201
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:01,600
a lot of new age spirituality is

2202
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,719
literally

2203
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:05,600
another version of escapism

2204
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,400
it's

2205
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,960
shutting out responsibility shutting out

2206
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,040
emotions and saying

2207
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,960
i don't want to look at it i want to

2208
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,639
leave my body i want to have spiritual

2209
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:17,199
experiences contact aliens ascend to

2210
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,030
it for me it's hilarious because

2211
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,760
when i'm having these experiences and

2212
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,000
i'm speaking or communicating with an

2213
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:37,590
all they're trying to say to me is

2214
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:40,239
you need to learn about physicality

2215
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,920
so it's like all the stuff like when

2216
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:43,520
you're out there in these spiritual

2217
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,239
experiences it's more like

2218
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:48,960
get back down to earth and be

2219
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,560
physical and learn about that world

2220
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,159
you know so

2221
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,920
for me

2222
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,840
the whole spiritual experience is a

2223
01:23:03,030 --> 01:22:59,360
natural

2224
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,590
but we're here not to look up at the

2225
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,159
stars we're here to look at the ground

2226
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,239
and be grounded and physical and

2227
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,159
understand how to master this world and

2228
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,320
that's my belief

2229
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,159
and some would also call that being

2230
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:17,840
present in the moment

2231
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,920
yes because the other thing i was going

2232
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,920
to ask you is

2233
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:23,679
don't you kind of feel that some of this

2234
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,560
is in a form of escapism for you

2235
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:28,080
like i get your impression that like

2236
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:29,679
you're just kind of a guy that there's

2237
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,920
not much down here for you there's not

2238
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,120
much

2239
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:35,600
holding your interest here

2240
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,719
no i

2241
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,239
i love

2242
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,679
my life

2243
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,320
and i don't know if you see it's like i

2244
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,639
grew up i had recording studios i'm an

2245
01:23:49,709 --> 01:23:46,320
artist

2246
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,719
i love technology i love video uh

2247
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,320
synthesizers yeah you're like my brother

2248
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,480
from another mother man you and i are a

2249
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:55,920
lot of life it's strange that's one of

2250
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:57,199
the reasons that

2251
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:58,480
i can't tell you how many people are

2252
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:02,080
like you gotta go talk to jason quit

2253
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,679
yeah it's interesting and i had

2254
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,760
recording studios and uh

2255
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:07,520
you know i ran a commercial one for a

2256
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,920
while that was fun but there was a fatal

2257
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:12,239
flaw in my business plan

2258
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:14,560
musicians never have any money

2259
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,600
that's right but i will say this i more

2260
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:20,000
than paid for the studio with

2261
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,800
at the time you could still sell

2262
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:24,880
cds you know like

2263
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,600
so

2264
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,920
i more than made my money invested in

2265
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,880
the studio back making my own projects

2266
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,600
like triple doubled whatever you know i

2267
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:35,600
was just so happy to be able to do that

2268
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:37,040
with the money that i put in to build

2269
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:38,719
the studio that the

2270
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:40,960
recording these other bands was just a

2271
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:43,600
bonus little bit of money you know

2272
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,560
no i i'm the opposite i wake up every

2273
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,000
single day

2274
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,239
and i want to work

2275
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,040
physically i want to get stuff done

2276
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,679
um if i have an experience at night i

2277
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:57,520
have an experience at night

2278
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,360
it's that's just what it is it's an

2279
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:01,199
experience it's not

2280
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:02,639
um

2281
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:03,760
you know

2282
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:06,880
a lot of the experiences now are just

2283
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,840
very um personal to me like i said like

2284
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:11,520
either dealing with some stuff i need to

2285
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:14,480
work on or being called to some other

2286
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,520
thing

2287
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:17,199
it's not like i could write another book

2288
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,080
about those experiences and in fact

2289
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:22,400
forbid a knowledge book i only wrote

2290
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:25,679
down the experiences that i thought

2291
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,400
had that story element that would make

2292
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,920
a point

2293
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,840
or have some type of

2294
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,760
connection to other people

2295
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,360
there is hundreds and hundreds of

2296
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,520
experiences that are not in that book

2297
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,199
because

2298
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,960
you know you leave how many times you

2299
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,639
leave your body

2300
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:44,320
you know it's the same thing over and

2301
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,600
over again it brings me to another

2302
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,920
important question because yeah

2303
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:49,520
somebody else asked me this actually so

2304
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:50,639
we're going to call it a listener

2305
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:51,600
question

2306
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,560
sure

2307
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:54,560
they wanted to know how

2308
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:58,480
often are you having these experiences

2309
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,600
in my early 20s from the age of 22 to

2310
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:03,840
about 27

2311
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,320
it was happening at least once or twice

2312
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,840
a week so that's a lot

2313
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,560
after 27

2314
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,719
my life changed

2315
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,639
i met my wife i got married had

2316
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:18,400
responsibilities

2317
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,830
right yeah yeah talk to her yeah nice

2318
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,800
girl

2319
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,840
thank you

2320
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,000
so beautiful well too man there's hope

2321
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,639
for us all that's all i have to say

2322
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,239
okay i'm not gonna say one of these

2323
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:36,400
things is not like the other but come on

2324
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:37,360
jason

2325
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,440
you did real good

2326
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:41,280
i did do real good

2327
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:46,870
but

2328
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,520
um i would say the experiences went from

2329
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,760
a couple times to a week to like maybe

2330
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:53,520
once a month

2331
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,800
and then once every couple months

2332
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,280
and then i said when i hurt myself again

2333
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,199
like when i broke my back that's when

2334
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:03,679
the experiences went up again

2335
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:06,800
so i i do relate it to

2336
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,920
trauma

2337
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,360
and being ill

2338
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:11,199
wow that's really weird

2339
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:12,880
it's kind of like it's kind of like a

2340
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:16,239
bad superpower though like

2341
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,920
when the body gets weak then you can

2342
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,920
actually project

2343
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:22,800
yeah but sometimes it just happens like

2344
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:23,600
there's

2345
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:28,639
like i i left my body a couple nights

2346
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,280
ago and i spoke about it on the radio

2347
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,600
and it was very strange because

2348
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,440
it was just sleeping

2349
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:37,920
and i just got ripped

2350
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:40,239
i just totally got ripped out of my body

2351
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:41,600
very quickly

2352
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,440
and into some portal

2353
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:45,199
i don't know where i went

2354
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:50,629
it it shocked me it didn't scare me but

2355
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,880
it shocked me of the speed of how fast i

2356
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,120
was pulled out of my body

2357
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:57,600
and i know that

2358
01:28:02,550 --> 01:27:58,840
there is an

2359
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:02,560
effect on the human consciousness

2360
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:05,520
when there's a solar event

2361
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:08,239
when the solar winds from the sun

2362
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,280
hit the earth's magnetic field

2363
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:13,360
i don't know man

2364
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:16,719
sometimes if it hits the right way

2365
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:19,199
you could have a spiritual experience

2366
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,679
just by sleeping

2367
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:23,679
so i definitely think there is an

2368
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,080
environmental cause to some of these

2369
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,560
experiences

2370
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,320
well i don't know i'm looking at my

2371
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:32,080
notes here i didn't i don't want to keep

2372
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,360
you too long

2373
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:35,280
i know you're very busy i wanted to ask

2374
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,400
you though

2375
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,080
yeah i was going to say like what what

2376
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,480
is what are your current plans like what

2377
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,800
are you doing now because you're right

2378
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,679
this

2379
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,199
are you writing another book are you

2380
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,960
gonna

2381
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,320
right now

2382
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:51,040
um i'm kind of evolving

2383
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,719
my business

2384
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:53,840
and

2385
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:57,040
like i said i originally started in

2386
01:29:01,750 --> 01:28:58,960
music production

2387
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,760
so i'm rebuilding my studio

2388
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,679
i'm going to start

2389
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,960
producing

2390
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:07,679
music which is a passion of mine

2391
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,960
and the beautiful thing about uh music

2392
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,880
now is that

2393
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:14,400
i could do whatever i want i'm not

2394
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,000
trying to sell records i'm just trying

2395
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,719
to do it for myself so this is like my

2396
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,199
own i just did quite a project like that

2397
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,440
for the last few years i said

2398
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,920
i had this idea that

2399
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,280
well actually i had this kind of weird

2400
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:29,120
thing to have you ever like step out on

2401
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:31,120
on the street and almost get hit by a

2402
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,920
car

2403
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:33,840
that kind of happened to me

2404
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:36,840
and and it gave me this weird feeling

2405
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:39,920
like uh you know what also

2406
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,639
when a when a songwriter dies like any

2407
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:44,400
any famous songwriter or songwriter i've

2408
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,440
enjoyed

2409
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,440
i hate that i'm so selfish but one of my

2410
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:50,320
first thoughts besides jade sadie died

2411
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,120
is oh man how many great songs did that

2412
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:55,280
guy have left in him that he didn't get

2413
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,199
around to recording so i had this thing

2414
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:59,199
where i stepped off the curb and almost

2415
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,199
got hit by a truck and it made me go

2416
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,600
you know what what if i just dumped

2417
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:05,679
everything that i got in my skull right

2418
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,400
now

2419
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,639
and not care not had fear like you were

2420
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:11,360
saying don't live in fear and i just

2421
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,639
plowed out all this material and it's a

2422
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:16,800
great feeling so i

2423
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,920
tell you do it do it yeah do it now love

2424
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,600
it you're gonna love it

2425
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:23,040
see i'll

2426
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,600
i'll share with you so you get inside my

2427
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,120
mind a little

2428
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,760
when i broke my back and i woke up after

2429
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:32,000
surgery

2430
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:33,440
my left

2431
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,880
paralyzed like it was curled up my arm

2432
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:41,360
it was the scariest thing right

2433
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:44,239
and the first thought that came into my

2434
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:46,880
head when i was paralyzed

2435
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,639
was i will never play guitar again

2436
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,520
that was the first thought wow yeah

2437
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,280
and it's like when i regained the

2438
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:57,440
strength in my arm

2439
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,120
and i s it's

2440
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:01,199
i still first thought again right okay

2441
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,280
yeah i can tell that's going to take

2442
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:05,280
some work but i'll be able to do that

2443
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,239
again

2444
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,719
right right so it's like

2445
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,280
um after that injury

2446
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:14,400
dude i went out and bought my favorite

2447
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,760
guitars

2448
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,679
as like

2449
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,760
said okay now i just bought the guitars

2450
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:21,600
of my dream

2451
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:22,719
um

2452
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:25,520
i better learn how to play again because

2453
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,719
i freaking lost that arm for a while and

2454
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:30,719
i need to learn again

2455
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:33,280
yeah yeah

2456
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,400
yeah it's good sir you're going to be

2457
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,480
working on music but when i when i said

2458
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:37,920
like i mean like are you going to write

2459
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,679
another book about these experiences are

2460
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,360
you going to let it go with this because

2461
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:43,600
this right now i think that people talk

2462
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:45,600
about and it's

2463
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,360
you know i feel like how do you where do

2464
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:49,520
you go from there do you just do like an

2465
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,040
update here's what's been happening for

2466
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:53,199
the past five years or or are you gonna

2467
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,280
let us i would i think i'm just gonna

2468
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:57,199
let it play but also

2469
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:59,520
i've changed my perspective on so many

2470
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,600
things and maybe i need to write a

2471
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:03,360
second book

2472
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:05,199
almost like a continuation of that book

2473
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,880
to show the evolution of thought

2474
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,080
that i'm at

2475
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:12,480
when it comes to that material

2476
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:16,400
and also i'm also into video production

2477
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,080
um i was just

2478
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,239
working in italy uh filming a

2479
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:23,040
documentary so hopefully i can

2480
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:25,520
hunker down and get that edited and done

2481
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,040
now that's gonna be a lot of time and

2482
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,880
people don't realize that i know people

2483
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:31,199
don't realize the time video editing is

2484
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:33,040
rough man it's like

2485
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:35,199
you know i've done some projects in the

2486
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,880
past where it was like eight hours a

2487
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:38,159
minute

2488
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,320
the video wow you know

2489
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,320
mostly music video projects like all the

2490
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:46,560
cutting and you know yeah you gotta have

2491
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:48,320
lots and lots of cuts especially the

2492
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:50,080
faster the song more cuts you gotta

2493
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:51,600
throw more cuts in there you could you

2494
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:53,520
could splice a few more you know that

2495
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:54,400
over

2496
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:56,239
because when i learned everybody was

2497
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:58,320
doing that style of like that media

2498
01:33:01,510 --> 01:33:00,159
overload you know

2499
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,520
now i think i would do things a little

2500
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,000
more subtly but that's the way it was

2501
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:05,679
and even for documentaries now you know

2502
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:08,159
things speed up it's not you gotta cut

2503
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:10,159
cut cut cut to hold their interest now

2504
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:12,000
because everybody's used to that

2505
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:13,520
nonstop exactly

2506
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:14,400
so

2507
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:16,719
overload you know

2508
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:19,840
absolutely so i have to kind of get into

2509
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,679
video production mode

2510
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,600
hopefully this week

2511
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:25,120
and

2512
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:29,360
i have furniture coming in here soon

2513
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:31,120
i've been asked to do

2514
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:33,840
some type of youtube show for years and

2515
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,320
i've always been pushing it to the side

2516
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:38,560
and i think with the setup that i'm

2517
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:39,760
going to be putting together i could

2518
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,840
easily just go live or pre-record

2519
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,760
something so i think i'm going to have

2520
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,679
some fun doing that

2521
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,679
yeah yeah good that's kind of some of

2522
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,120
the things that i've been working on too

2523
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:51,120
because i gotta

2524
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,199
like the radio thing is great and that's

2525
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,520
what i started off wanting to do

2526
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:57,520
and then everybody keeps hassling well

2527
01:34:01,430 --> 01:33:59,360
not hassling me that sounds terrible

2528
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:01,440
everybody is like why

2529
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,120
why is there no video when you post a

2530
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:05,840
show well this is just i put some you

2531
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,239
know spectrographs on it and a picture

2532
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:10,480
and it was on the radio so that's the

2533
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:12,560
way i'm gonna put it on you know

2534
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,800
but uh i'm gonna be moving to video

2535
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:15,920
because i think

2536
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:16,800
that

2537
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,719
so like

2538
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:22,719
jason people might not hear you for like

2539
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:24,320
six weeks from now

2540
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,320
you know there's a so

2541
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:28,000
when there's something topical i love

2542
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,440
the idea of live streaming because i

2543
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:30,880
could just go on

2544
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:33,440
say what i need to say get a message out

2545
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:36,239
and yeah and the technology now

2546
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:37,360
i didn't

2547
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:41,920
powerful you look around now and it's so

2548
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:43,600
so much better than it was it's easier

2549
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:46,159
to do it now there's so many tools now

2550
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,679
and like

2551
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:49,440
people have shows that look great that

2552
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:52,080
look totally professionally produced and

2553
01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:55,520
it's just like obs and some time

2554
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:56,639
yeah

2555
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,920
the documentary film industry

2556
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:03,840
i have the gear

2557
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:06,719
and it's just sitting here um i might as

2558
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:09,760
well just set it up i hate you jason i

2559
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,239
hate you because i am a poor father of

2560
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:14,960
two children so like my

2561
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,880
ability i really need some new cameras

2562
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:18,560
and stuff you know like some of my i

2563
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,639
have hd cameras but they're like early

2564
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,280
hd cameras you know they're not great

2565
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,280
and everybody's moving everything moves

2566
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,199
so fast it's like well that's really not

2567
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:29,440
enough now you need a 4k camera and you

2568
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:30,320
know

2569
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:33,040
well you can go and buy an 8k camera

2570
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:34,560
right now

2571
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,480
and

2572
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:38,719
but the technology is getting really

2573
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,199
good and really cheap in fact a lot of

2574
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:43,280
people are recording with their new

2575
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,920
iphone yeah and people have made movies

2576
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:47,360
when i heard that for that was a few

2577
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,719
years ago that somebody went the quality

2578
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:50,400
is good enough let's do a movie and use

2579
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,119
the iphone as the camera for the whole

2580
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:55,199
thing it's amazing

2581
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:57,520
yeah and if you're good at uh production

2582
01:36:01,830 --> 01:35:59,920
if you're good at like color correcting

2583
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:01,840
and editing

2584
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,400
um you could literally make a movie with

2585
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,800
your iphone yeah that's amazing

2586
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:08,400
technology to me and you probably

2587
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,679
experience the same kind of thing with

2588
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:11,199
audio do you remember when everybody

2589
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:12,400
sort of went

2590
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:13,520
tape

2591
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,199
you know i'll just do it at home on my

2592
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,520
computer i was such an early adopter of

2593
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:19,440
that like i did it before anybody knew

2594
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,960
that you could even make music on a

2595
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,639
computer people were like you can record

2596
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:24,960
on a compute yeah

2597
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:27,520
you know like four or eight bit tracks

2598
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,239
or something when i started oh yeah and

2599
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,400
that's ridiculous you have unlimited

2600
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,560
anything you want

2601
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,639
see i'm the opposite is like

2602
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,360
i grew up making music on the computer

2603
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:41,840
like i first started making music on dos

2604
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,639
that's how long ago yeah yeah me too and

2605
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:46,159
when i first started actually i was

2606
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:47,920
fortunate though because when i first

2607
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:48,800
started

2608
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:51,440
everything was just starting to move to

2609
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,400
to digital

2610
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:54,159
but all the recording studios that you

2611
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,040
went to were still tapes but i got a job

2612
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,679
in one and i got to learn how to record

2613
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,880
because i don't think if i would have

2614
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:02,159
learned that if i would have just

2615
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:03,199
started with a computer i would have

2616
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,440
been much worse off you know yeah so now

2617
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,760
it's like i'm moving away from digital

2618
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:11,920
which is crazy to me because i love

2619
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:14,639
analog love analog and i just got a

2620
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,920
whole setup of preamps and

2621
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:19,920
uh yeah i'm still big on using i'm still

2622
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,679
big on using two preamps even though i

2623
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,520
record everything into a computer i love

2624
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:26,000
two preamps and little boxes and fuzz

2625
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:27,840
boxes and you know

2626
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:29,679
you gotta do something besides just

2627
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:31,520
digital yeah

2628
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,080
exactly so that's my new addiction in

2629
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:36,480
life that's my new passion in life or

2630
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:37,440
just

2631
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:39,920
reamping the old passions

2632
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:41,920
and i

2633
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,080
you know people say why are we here why

2634
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:45,760
are we on this earth

2635
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:47,920
the only answer i could think of is to

2636
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,199
create

2637
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:51,600
that's it you're a creator go out be an

2638
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,320
artist write music

2639
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:55,600
paint

2640
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:57,600
you know even speaking is using the

2641
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:59,440
creative art

2642
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:00,239
so

2643
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,560
that's why i'm here it's just to create

2644
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:04,560
and be here yeah i think don't you think

2645
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,239
people are most happy when they're doing

2646
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,000
that i believe so

2647
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:10,639
i i got this crazy cabin i'm building

2648
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,119
and it's really like a just a crazy

2649
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:15,679
you know i i'm in my glory there people

2650
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,639
are like that's so much work i love it i

2651
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,639
love get me over there i gotta get over

2652
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:22,480
there this weekend and get something

2653
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,280
done

2654
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:25,760
and get this thing going you know

2655
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:28,159
and it's fun exactly and it's creative

2656
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,239
so that's where i'm most happy i realize

2657
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:32,239
that lately that's where i'm most happy

2658
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:34,000
give me something fun and creative to do

2659
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,920
that really interests me

2660
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,440
you know i think a lot of people are

2661
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,360
like that though but you know people are

2662
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,760
stuck in that cubicle you know you know

2663
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:43,520
or something like that

2664
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,440
like i'll travel around the world and

2665
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,600
literally everybody that comes up to

2666
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:50,880
talk to me

2667
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,920
they want to know what their purpose is

2668
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:55,600
you know what's my purpose in life what

2669
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,719
do i do like i'm some type of psychic

2670
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,480
that's going to tell them what they

2671
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:02,560
should be doing in this world

2672
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,880
and i always give everybody the same

2673
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,159
answer

2674
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:08,800
your purpose in this world is to follow

2675
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:11,360
what interests you and what your passion

2676
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,560
is if you don't have that in your life

2677
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:17,040
you're going to be lost

2678
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:17,920
yeah

2679
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:21,600
that when i was like a lot of people

2680
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,440
just i'm sure you're the same way like

2681
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:25,360
just creative artistic person i'm not

2682
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:27,040
going to sit and watch television for 10

2683
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,480
hours a day i'm going to go build

2684
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:29,920
something i'm going to go make something

2685
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:32,400
i'm going to go write something or yeah

2686
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,080
but i guess some people are just just

2687
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:36,400
not there they're just kind of like

2688
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,360
you know

2689
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,360
go to my cubicle job and come home and

2690
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,920
watch television 10 hours a day or

2691
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,400
whatever people do to escape video games

2692
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,719
that's a huge escape now

2693
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:48,800
i've been in this room

2694
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:51,199
for three days straight morning tonight

2695
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:53,040
i've been in this room

2696
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:56,880
painting putting up the sound stuff

2697
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:57,840
uh

2698
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,320
setting up the equipment yeah and you

2699
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,760
loved every minute of it didn't you

2700
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,159
every minute of it it was incredible you

2701
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:06,400
got to follow your bliss

2702
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:07,920
exactly

2703
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:11,040
so yeah no i um

2704
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,639
i want to thank you

2705
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,880
uh for reaching out to me

2706
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,639
because i know that you have a different

2707
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,280
audience than what i'm usually um

2708
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,960
talking to yeah and i want to thank you

2709
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:22,400
for coming on because

2710
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:26,870
i don't want to have a bad reputation

2711
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,360
but you know a lot of people were like

2712
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,520
no that guy's gonna

2713
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,520
gonna jump all over me about this or

2714
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,520
that you know i do get a little bit of a

2715
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:37,280
reputation for being

2716
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,000
tough but i wanted to be honest and say

2717
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:42,320
like i want to be more open and say

2718
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,800
and like i said get this book everybody

2719
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:46,800
finds it helpful

2720
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:49,679
i who am i to say that it's not

2721
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,520
yeah and it's all about

2722
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,520
building bridges that's what a lot of

2723
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,880
people in this community don't

2724
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:58,960
understand and that's why i love that

2725
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:01,840
you interviewed michael horn

2726
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,719
i i did the cw chandra show i sat right

2727
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:06,960
next to him in contact in the desert

2728
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:08,719
yeah yeah i know that i watched that i

2729
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:10,400
think okay cause

2730
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,800
because you need to open dialogue

2731
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,320
with everybody

2732
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,239
yeah you do yeah and i have i have this

2733
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,560
real problem when i ask questions and

2734
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,440
people block me on social media

2735
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:25,440
do you know what i mean like if i tweet

2736
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:27,440
somebody a question and they're a public

2737
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,600
figure they wrote a book they made a

2738
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,119
documentary

2739
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,119
whatever the case may be you know

2740
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,840
they're running around the ufo circuit

2741
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,159
telling stories doing lectures

2742
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,159
if they're if i should be able to tweet

2743
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,400
you a question and you not block me on

2744
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,040
social media because i asked either the

2745
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:47,520
wrong question or the right question

2746
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,600
that's there's only two answers to why

2747
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:52,000
you blocked me on social media

2748
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,080
right after i asked you a question

2749
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:56,320
and this is the problem that i have

2750
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:58,000
but if someone like you or michael

2751
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:00,080
horner anybody wants to have an open

2752
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,239
dialogue and be a man and we'll talk

2753
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,119
like men right like this wasn't

2754
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,280
this wasn't too bad like right it was

2755
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:09,600
okay no yes this was perfect yeah that's

2756
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:11,040
the way i think it should be i should be

2757
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:12,960
allowed to ask questions as long as i'm

2758
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,679
respectful and not like mocking of you

2759
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,440
or like you know

2760
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,600
but i think it's incredibly important

2761
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:21,600
for someone like me

2762
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,400
to

2763
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,400
have that open dialogue and take those

2764
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,400
questions because

2765
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:29,760
in my mind in my reality these things

2766
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,040
happened

2767
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:33,600
and it's weird

2768
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:34,480
and

2769
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:40,159
it it's like

2770
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:41,840
why aren't we looking in those

2771
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,760
directions and that's why i'm talking

2772
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,840
about these things

2773
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:47,760
yeah i think it's good and i have a lot

2774
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,760
of respect for you coming on because you

2775
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,040
know like i said a lot of people just

2776
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:53,600
don't want to answer any questions

2777
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,560
it's like

2778
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:56,159
to me if you don't want to answer any

2779
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:58,000
questions you have something to hide why

2780
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,159
would you be afraid of questions and i'm

2781
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:02,080
telling you i really am respectful at

2782
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:02,960
first

2783
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:05,280
when i asked a question and

2784
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:06,800
but sometimes i get back something

2785
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:08,960
snarky and i'm human and i'll say

2786
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,719
something snarky back and that turns

2787
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:13,199
into this big thing and you know

2788
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,360
trying to avoid these these negative

2789
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,400
circles

2790
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:18,239
that's what i'm saying

2791
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:19,520
so you're right maybe i should start

2792
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:21,600
building bridges anybody wants to build

2793
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:24,239
a bridge there you can contact me and

2794
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,320
and i would be happy to die i can't

2795
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,320
believe that i interviewed michael ward

2796
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,719
either like i never in a million years

2797
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,320
would have believed that

2798
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,400
he would sit and answer my questions but

2799
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:36,960
he did to his credit he did

2800
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:40,159
i'm not gonna you know i i don't know i

2801
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,040
don't

2802
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,440
believe that that case has any merit

2803
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,840
whatsoever but he's a true believer and

2804
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:47,679
he answered every question

2805
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:48,480
i

2806
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,800
myers

2807
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:02,960
like he did have some type of experience

2808
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:05,119
some type of contact he did see some

2809
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:06,639
types of ships

2810
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:09,199
but what i think happened is

2811
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:09,920
he

2812
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,080
created hoaxes

2813
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:14,800
to align with his story

2814
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:17,119
and i think that's what his downfall is

2815
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,719
could be yeah i've never heard that

2816
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,719
theory about him never heard that most

2817
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:22,800
people are either true believers of that

2818
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:23,760
case

2819
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:25,840
or this is so hokey look at some of

2820
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:28,080
these crazy pictures that were obviously

2821
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,280
faked and

2822
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:31,440
it's obviously faked but also if you

2823
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,600
read the channelings like michael horne

2824
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,239
posts a lot of channelings translated

2825
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:38,480
and when you actually hear the messages

2826
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:39,760
from these

2827
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,590
they sen some of them sound immature

2828
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:47,440
some of them speak in a way that it's

2829
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:49,360
like wait a second an advance being

2830
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:51,440
would not speak like this

2831
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:53,040
so it's like you have to kind of really

2832
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,239
read

2833
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:55,840
uh what these uh

2834
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,679
messages are i've tried to read through

2835
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:00,000
some of it but my brain just starts

2836
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:03,280
exploding and i go oh man i can't i

2837
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,629
yeah so

2838
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,480
it's like i that's what i feel i feel

2839
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,840
like

2840
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,199
when some people have genuine

2841
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:15,600
experiences they need that story to

2842
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,360
continue because they've already said

2843
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:19,119
too much and then they have to continue

2844
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,159
this kind of narrative forward and

2845
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,480
you know i think a lot of yeah i call

2846
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,560
that there's also what i call ufo

2847
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,800
disease it's like sometimes guys come

2848
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:30,560
and they have their story and they stick

2849
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:32,719
to it but then you gotta keep making

2850
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:34,080
that conference circuit money and

2851
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:35,520
everybody's sick of that

2852
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:36,960
lecture that you've been given for a few

2853
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:39,040
years so now you gotta come up with

2854
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:41,920
these new stories

2855
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:44,000
it's absolutely true because think about

2856
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:46,960
it like i'll go up on stage i contact in

2857
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:50,000
the desert and i'll discuss my story

2858
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,840
and then they'll say well jay we want

2859
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,760
you back next year and we need a new

2860
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,440
topic

2861
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,840
you obviously want to go back there you

2862
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:00,239
obviously want to do that event again so

2863
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,080
you say of course and then you come up

2864
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:04,400
with a new topic

2865
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:07,760
but you know a lot of people just

2866
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:08,800
i don't know

2867
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,239
that's why i just got to stick to the

2868
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,320
story stick to your own experience and

2869
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:16,639
don't over cross that line because once

2870
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,159
you start saying you know i've

2871
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:20,239
researched this i researched that it's

2872
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,400
like anybody can go and research these

2873
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,520
things

2874
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,520
if they really want to yeah i'm really

2875
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:27,440
big on the concept of

2876
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:28,239
uh

2877
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:29,920
of just

2878
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,280
if i do a story like i i'm really big on

2879
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:35,920
here's the sources here's the source of

2880
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:37,280
who told me this here's a source who

2881
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:39,280
told me that

2882
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:42,719
anyone can go after i'm done

2883
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:45,360
right after me and call back the same

2884
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:48,080
sources or look up the same thing and

2885
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:49,119
say

2886
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,360
anybody can go after me and it seems to

2887
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:55,600
be a huge problem that there's just not

2888
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:58,000
those citable sources for most people

2889
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:01,040
there's nothing you can't go after them

2890
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,719
and verify any of their claims so

2891
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:06,560
yeah

2892
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:11,280
and i'll just put this out there

2893
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:14,870
i think

2894
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:17,280
it's catching on and people are starting

2895
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:19,600
to see through the cracks

2896
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:23,679
of different storylines and narratives

2897
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:26,239
that continue to come into our community

2898
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:29,119
and continue to be hoaxes

2899
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:33,199
and especially someone like me who's

2900
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:35,119
i've been researching this when i

2901
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,199
started to have my experiences

2902
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:39,440
before youtube there wasn't youtube when

2903
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,960
i started to research this remember when

2904
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,119
you had to go to the library or go to i

2905
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,679
did go i went to the main philadelphia

2906
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:47,600
branch library

2907
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:49,119
got very friendly with all the

2908
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:50,719
librarians there because you could

2909
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,199
request books from anywhere in the city

2910
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:55,520
so i i need a list of all the books on

2911
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,719
aliens

2912
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:58,560
space travel

2913
01:48:03,910 --> 01:48:01,440
you know ancient civilizations and boy

2914
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:03,920
do these ladies deliver you know i had a

2915
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:05,760
treasure trove but yeah you just have to

2916
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:07,920
do that folks you have to go someplace

2917
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:10,639
and get some books or book stores or

2918
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:14,159
but thank god i did that so long ago

2919
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,360
because

2920
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,440
every couple years

2921
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,600
you'll hear a new story coming out and

2922
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:21,840
people think it's a new story

2923
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,040
it's not a new story

2924
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:27,679
it's been around for a very long time

2925
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,880
they just change the people involved

2926
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,400
they just changed the narrative a little

2927
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:34,080
but it's exactly that same story

2928
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,159
involved in a very deeply rooted

2929
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:38,960
discussion a lively discussion on these

2930
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:42,239
arts parts who first came to prominence

2931
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,560
on our bell show and then linda molten

2932
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:46,800
hal ran around selling that story i

2933
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:49,679
believe in 1996 because i followed it

2934
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,239
incredibly closely at the time and i was

2935
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,239
convinced to find the truth what's going

2936
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:56,239
on with these parts are they really from

2937
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,360
an alien spaceship and i remember

2938
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:01,520
the excitement that i had and the

2939
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:03,920
interest that i had in it and then

2940
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,600
slowly after due diligence

2941
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:09,360
these are earthly materials there's

2942
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:11,520
nothing special about them

2943
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,719
she hides the guy who says there

2944
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:16,639
there's nothing special about this and i

2945
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:19,199
can recreate it and this is just earthly

2946
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:21,199
regular material somewhat strange the

2947
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,639
way they lay the material but i can

2948
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:24,719
reproduce that he does it gives it to

2949
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:27,360
her she hides that guy and finds new

2950
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,040
guys

2951
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:31,119
keeps on selling the story even after

2952
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:32,320
being told it's regular earthly

2953
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:35,199
materials and now this story is coming

2954
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:38,080
back because nail arts parts have ended

2955
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,320
up with one tom belong at ttsa and he's

2956
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,320
getting government contracts with the

2957
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:46,880
united states army based on these parts

2958
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:49,360
that were proven to be

2959
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,800
earthly regular materials in 1996. at

2960
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,040
least this is my understanding of what's

2961
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:57,199
going on here so you're right the story

2962
01:50:01,589 --> 01:49:58,719
is back

2963
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:01,599
yes and there is a scientific term to

2964
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:03,679
this and it's the uh

2965
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:04,560
um

2966
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,560
what is it called the 20-year nostalgic

2967
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:08,639
loop

2968
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,760
yeah

2969
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,679
is that is that a real scientific term

2970
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:13,840
or is that cw chandra's thing

2971
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,880
i think i think he's a scientist right

2972
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,480
because that's pretty amazing what he's

2973
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:20,000
figured out

2974
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:21,360
yeah

2975
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:23,280
i thought he was a lawyer but

2976
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:24,719
if you look

2977
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:26,719
i i joked on twitter

2978
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:28,239
about this 20-year nostalgia loop and

2979
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:31,119
what i said to him directly was

2980
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,119
now every time something happens i have

2981
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:35,040
to check the 20-year nostalgia loop and

2982
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:37,119
i'm not sure whether i want to hug him

2983
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:38,960
for showing me that or punch him in his

2984
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:39,760
face

2985
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,679
because it's a powerful thing every 20

2986
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,080
years is here we go it's coming back

2987
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,040
look into futurama and look into the

2988
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:49,520
simpsons yeah that's crazy

2989
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,560
and it's like futurama for sure it's

2990
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,159
like a lot of the things that were

2991
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,480
written in futurama and the simpsons

2992
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,840
back then

2993
01:51:02,229 --> 01:50:59,520
it's like we're talking about that stuff

2994
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:02,239
now it's it's insane

2995
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:03,040
so

2996
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:05,599
believe

2997
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:08,239
yeah well listen

2998
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:10,080
do you have some projects that you want

2999
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:12,159
to tell people about or or way for

3000
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,000
people to contact you if they have more

3001
01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:16,159
interest or what they should do besides

3002
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:18,840
get your book on amazon which i would

3003
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,159
recommend um i would say

3004
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:23,920
um

3005
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,920
actually i'm doing an event in florida

3006
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:27,679
coming up

3007
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:31,119
and i believe it's the january 11th

3008
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,560
weekend

3009
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:34,560
but other than that

3010
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:37,920
um i'm just hunkering down here so

3011
01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:39,599
the best way to find me is through

3012
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:40,800
twitter

3013
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:47,199
and i run a bunch of uh facebook pages

3014
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,920
uh called jason quit the crystal sun on

3015
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:51,119
facebook

3016
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:53,119
and that's the best way to keep in touch

3017
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:54,719
with me

3018
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,599
great

3019
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:57,599
well my friends that music means that

3020
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:00,560
our time on our journey is

3021
01:52:06,229 --> 01:52:03,440
running short at least for tonight

3022
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:06,239
i want to thank my guest jason quit for

3023
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:07,760
joining me

3024
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:10,000
and i want to thank you for joining the

3025
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:11,280
both of us

3026
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,320
on this journey

3027
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:16,800
i want to encourage my listeners

3028
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:17,599
to

3029
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,599
follow me on twitter just search for

3030
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:22,080
stephen campion and also

3031
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,159
please my friends our show could use

3032
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,719
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3033
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3034
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,440
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3046
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3047
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:00,880
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3048
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3049
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,119
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3050
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01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:09,920
and and this money is being used to buy

3052
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:12,560
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3054
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,239
and things we need

3055
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,480
i'm so glad that you guys

3056
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:20,880
uh so many of you guys have

3057
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:22,639
found the patreon page just go to

3058
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,239
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3059
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,880
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3060
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,280
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3061
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:31,599
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3063
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3064
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3065
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3066
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:45,520
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3067
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,719
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3068
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:50,639
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3069
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:53,360
until next time folks my name is stephen

3070
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,360
campbell reminding you

3071
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,599
that our similarities bring us to a

3072
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,199
common ground

3073
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:01,679
but our differences allow us to be

3074
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:03,679
fascinated by each other

3075
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:06,110
good night folks

3076
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:13,679
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3077
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,660
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